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Author: Aussie Nick
Date: 2001-04-17 07:47
Hey guys. You might remember about a week ago I mentioned that i was considering playing the Finzi Concerto with orchestra some time this year. Well that is still a possibilty but my teacher is really advising me against it saying that it would be "musical suicide" trying to get a youth orchestra to play it. Anyway I'm havign a hard time choosing other stuff. I'd prefer to keep away from all Weber music. I'm thinking Crusell Concerto no. 1 in Eb or Krommer Concerto in Eb. I kind of prefer the Crusell. I think it's the more showy of the two. The Krommer bores me actually. What should I do? Which would an audience like to hear more?
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Author: col
Date: 2001-04-17 08:13
which youth orchestra in australia ?
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Author: Sylvain
Date: 2001-04-17 14:51
How about stamitz?
They are decent concertos not too overly heard, and I am sure the orchestra will be able to play it.
-S
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Author: William
Date: 2001-04-17 15:00
I'll bet your audience would love to hear the CONCERTO FOR CLARINET by Artie Shaw. It's jazzy in nature, has three cadenza's, the final one glissing up to a double high C, the orchestral parts (rental) are well written, and it is about seven minutes in total playing time. It is also fun to play in that it gives the orchestral clarinetist a chance to "swing out" a bit and play some jazz. I always enjoy playing this piece for audiencies and usually get a standing ovation--and not because they are all getting up to leave!! It is a real "crowd pleaser" and not that hard to play well. John Bruce-Yeh has a recording out with a jazz ensemble accompaniment, but the orchestral accompaniment is just as effective, maybe moreso. You can hear Artie play parts of the CONCERTO in the old movie "Second Chorus" starring Fred Astair and Burgess Meridith. Just a suggestion--good clarineting!!!!!!
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Author: Ken Shaw
Date: 2001-04-17 19:24
Nick -
Crusell wrote three excellent concertos. He was a famous player, so they lie really well for the instrument, and are on about the same level of diffuculty as the Weber concertos. The orchestral parts are, as I recall from listening to records, no more difficult than the Weber concertos, and perhaps a bit less difficult. In my opinion, the best of the three is # 2 in f minor, op. 5, sometimes called the "Grand Concerto." Really a great piece, all the way through.
If you feel more ambitious, you could try one of the four Spohr concertos. # 1 is quite familiar and very effective. # 2 is equally good and far more difficult. # 3 is probably the best music, and only slightly less difficult than # 3. # 4 is, at least for me, the least effective, though many people like it. # 4 is for clarinet in A. The orchestra parts are somewhat more elaborate than in the Weber or Crussel concertos, and the solo parts call for a *big* technique -- theiry. Avoid the Leister recordings, which are dull, dull, dull, though technically amazing. If you can find it, listen to the old De Peyer recording of # 1, which is perfect.
Even if you know the Weber concertos by heart, they will be completely unfamiliar to the audience, and the orchestra, too. Listen to the fabulous De Peyer recording of # 2. This music is better than Crusell or Spohr, and you can knock their socks off with it.
Good luck. Let us know what you decide on.
Ken Shaw
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Author: Mindy
Date: 2001-04-17 19:51
I know you don't want to do Weber stuff but I really like the Weber Grand Duo Concertant. Now I really really like the Mozart Clarient Concerto that is a possibility. I don't know I hope this helps
Mindy
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Author: Dee
Date: 2001-04-17 21:17
Mindy wrote:
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> I know you don't want to do Weber stuff but I really like
> the Weber Grand Duo Concertant. Now I really really like the
> Mozart Clarient Concerto that is a possibility. I don't know I
> hope this helps
> Mindy
The Grand Duo Concertant is a duet for clarinet and piano. It is not a concerto intended for performance with an orchestra.
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Author: Mindy
Date: 2001-04-17 21:57
I am sorry Dee I do now that it is not a concerto. I was just saying what I liked I guess I need to really look at what I am writing and say that it is not a concerto.
Sorry again
Mindy
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Author: Dee
Date: 2001-04-17 22:24
Mindy wrote:
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> I am sorry Dee I do now that it is not a concerto. I was
> just saying what I liked I guess I need to really look at what
> I am writing and say that it is not a concerto.
> Sorry again
> Mindy
Didn't mean to put you on the spot or anything. It just sounded like you were recommending it as a piece to play with the orchestra. Sometimes written communication can be unclear when we can't talk directly back and forth.
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Author: ken
Date: 2001-04-17 23:09
As I recall from the initial posting, the string section's chops and ability to hack the Finzi was primarily in question...and apparently your teacher concurs. What do the string parts look like for the Crusell and Krommer before you pursue these pieces?
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Author: Mark Pinner
Date: 2001-04-18 00:38
Why not consider something from the Mannheim School. One of the many Stamitz concertos are accessible for the soloist and the orchestra.
Just got back from the Nationals in Brisbane did you play in the QYO Wind and Brass? I didnt play at all but I was a roadie for the Belles of Brass, hey their are worse jobs!
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Author: joseph o'kelly
Date: 2001-04-18 02:30
Its funny that soneone mentioned the Artie Shaw concerto. I have the same prediciment as you as I am trying to find a piece to play with my school orcestra next year.
I'm torn between playing the Neilson concerto or the Shaw. While I know the Neilson would be the most impressive the Artie Shaw is a very rousing peice.
You could play the Stravinsky Three pieces. The orchestra would have know problem playing their part (a tacet)
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Author: col
Date: 2001-04-18 03:45
the nielsen with a school orchestra ??
must be one good school orchestra
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Author: joseph o'kelly
Date: 2001-04-18 16:17
Thats why I'll be playing the shaw.
Or the Stravinsky
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