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Author: Rpynes4
Date: 2014-08-10 12:44
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Hello, I have searched everywhere & can not find a clarinet with a serial # similar to mine. My # is " E 120666 ". The manufacturer logo says EVETTE inside an oval with BUFFET CAMPON beneath the oval. It also has "MADE IN FRANCE" stamped on the bottom of one of the pieces. It is made of Wood. I've had one person tell me that its not an E11 or an E12. It proceeds those but hes unsure with the "E" prefix in the serial number. Has anyone seen a similar clarinet???
Rachel Pynes
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Author: Orinoco
Date: 2014-08-10 16:33
Given what is said in this wikipedia page, it seems the Buffet-Crampon people made the Evette clarinets as student and intermediate level clarinets - they are old clarinets, preceding the B10 and E11 respectively.
"Until the 1980s, only professional level clarinets carried the Buffet name. Lower priced clarinets for the beginner and intermediate market were branded "Evette" and "Evette & Schaeffer", respectively. For a time the Evette clarinets actually were built by other manufacturers under Buffet's sponsorship, and these instruments are marked "Evette sponsored by Buffet". By the early 1970s Buffet was making the Evettes in their own factory in Paris, and about 1979 manufacture was moved to a Buffet-owned factory in Germany. Evette & Schaeffer clarinets were made in Paris. Use of the Evette and Evette & Schaeffer brands ended about 1985, when the company began using the Buffet name on all its clarinets."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffet_Crampon#Evette_and_Evette_.26_Schaeffer_clarinets
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Author: Rpynes4
Date: 2014-08-10 18:22
Thank you Orinico for getting back with me. I just noticed my thread listed twice. Hope everyone forgives me, first timer & I didn't mean to do that.
That's the some of the same information that I pulled up as well, but there is some much conflicting & confusing information on it that i'm really struggling with it. I asked my local Music Instrument Store & he even asked me about the original case that came with it (Large bulky, heavy square black box with Silver Metal Clasps)....he said he's never seen one with the "E" before the serial # but it could have been one that not many of them were made, maybe before the big warehouse fire.....that still doesn't give me an answer regarding the actual model name. I mean thats how all Buffets are classified, you know what I mean, right? (example: E11, E12, R13, K series, B12). This has literally been driving me crazy. My grandmother & I found this in a Dallas, Tx Bargain Depot store about 15 years ago & did a total overhaul on it & I started my love of the clarinet. It's very special to me & its something I would like to pass down to her with a little more history on it. Thank you for listening & I sure hope someone has seen one or heard of one. :-)
Rachel Pynes
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Author: Tony F
Date: 2014-08-10 18:36
Before Buffet changed the nomenclature of their clarinet range the wood Evette was their intermediate student model. When they brought in the Bxx/Exx/Rxx series the wood Evette was replaced by the E11. They also made a plastic Evette in Germany, which was replaced by the B12. Can't help you with the E prefix.
Tony F.
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Author: Rpynes4
Date: 2014-08-11 01:26
Thank you Tony.....although not what I wanted to hear. HaHa ;-). This has really been puzzling me & I think I've gotten obsessed with trying to find what I thought would be a simple answer for it.... Very disappointing :(
Rachel Pynes
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Author: GaryH
Date: 2014-08-11 05:09
In the 70s I worked in the shop of a company that sold and rented Buffet clarinets. The K prefix was used on the E13 Evette Schaeffer, the D was used on the E12 Evette and there was a model listed as E11 that was French made that I believe had the E prefix on the serial number. I don't recall us renting many of these or the plastic clarinets. The E13 was by far the most popular beginner clarinet in our area for nearly 2 decades. There are quite a few used Evette Schaeffer clarinets available here that have been sitting in closets for 40 years.
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Author: Jack Kissinger
Date: 2014-08-11 17:27
There is a serial number list that includes (D-series) Evette clarinets made between 1963 and 1975 at
http://www.clarinetperfection.com/clsnBuffetES.htm
I've owned a couple of French Evettes for a number of years. The older one was made in 1963. The newer one was made in 1976 (determined by information obtained from the previous owner which is consistent with extrapolation from the list).
This is pretty good evidence, IMO, that Buffet was manufacturing Evettes in Paris as early as 1963 (though, according to their promotional materials from around this time, in a separate factory from the one that manufactured their professional models and Evette & Schaeffer clarinets).
The logo on my earlier Evette, like the one shown on the serial number list at ClarinetPerfection, has EVETTE in the center of the oval with PARIS and FRANCE also in the oval in a smaller font and "MADE BY BUFFET CRAMPON" in very small letters wrapped around the outside bottom of the oval. The serial number (D3xxx) on the lower joint is located at the bottom of the back with "Made in France" stamped immediately above.
By 1976, the logo had changed to the one the OP describes -- only EVETTE in the oval (Paris and France have disappeared) and "BUFFET CRAMPON" in smaller font wrapped around the outside bottom of the oval ("MADE BY" has disappeared). The serial number (D36xxx) on the lower joint is still located at the bottom of the back with "Made in France" stamped immediately above.
The best date that I have been able to determine for the shift of production from Paris to West Germany is 1978. At this time, Buffet adopted a 6-digit serial number which was continued when the model designation changed from "Evette" to "E11" in the 1980s (probably around 1985). I have an early (1980s) E11. The only serial number on the instrument is on the back of the lower joint at the top, pretty much the same location (and the same font) as yours, Rachel. However my E11 serial number has no prefix and has "Made in W. Germany" stamped above the serial number immediately beneath the metal ring.
So far, I think everything I've stated is fact and accurate. Now comes a belief, based on memory. As I recall, at least some of the German Evettes had an E prefix to their 6-digit serial number -- in other words a serial number like yours, Rachel. So it looks to me like you may have a German Evette. But you say that "Made in France" is stamped on one of your pieces. And I would have expected to see "Made in W. Germany" stamped above your serial number.
Does your clarinet have a serial number on the upper joint? Also, could you tell us exactly where "Made in France" is stamped on your clarinet? And perhaps include a picture? Finally, the German Evettes have a different design than the late French Evettes. Could you post a picture of the side of the entire lower joint that shows the left-hand pinky keys and thumb rest clearly? From that, I may be able to tell if you actually have a German made Evette or if you have some kind of French-made transition between the French and German models.
Best regards,
jnk
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Author: Rpynes4
Date: 2014-08-11 18:48
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Thank you Jack. Ok heres what I got ;-). The serial number is on the top part of the lower joint, right below the Rim. There is nothing else there except for the serial #. The Made in France is on the bottom part of the lower joint. The Evette oval is only located on the Barrel & the Bell. I have attached some pictures, I sure hope they come through
Rachel Pynes
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Author: Rpynes4
Date: 2014-08-11 19:05
Mr. Kissinger, I found this thread while searching from a thread that you replied to in 2012-2013. This guy you had talked to had the same time of clarinet as me....mine is wood & has been verified as wood by several people in the music industry. But everyone does seem to be stumped on this "E". I attached a copy of the previous thread that I found.
Need help identifying Evette
Author: SIXMENN (---.wyngmi.dedicated.static.tds.net - (City of Grand Rapids) Grand Rapids, MI United States)
Date: 2013-04-17 22:14
I recently acquired an Evette clarinet, and have been attempting to find information online about its value. None of the pictures I've seen that help to identify it match what I have here. Here is the information I know about it: Can someone help me identify the model and maybe its value? Thank you!
-Wood clarinet
-Serial E115552
-Logo is on the upper joint and bell only.
-The serial number is on the upper back of the lower joint only.
-On the lower back side of the lower joint only it says "Made in France"
-The logo is a simple oval with the word "EVETTE" inside the oval and the words "BUFFET CRAMPON" outside of the oval and below it. A simple lyre is at the top center of the oval. There is no evidence of any gold in the lettering.
-The needle springs appear to be stainless steel.
That's all I know. Thanks for your help!
sixmenn
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Author: Jack Kissinger
Date: 2014-08-12 01:41
I don't have a German Evette nor do I have any pictures of one to compare your clarinet to. Unless, you know what a pin-and-socket linkage is on the lower joint, I really need to see the picture of the side of the lower joint that I asked for in my previous post. That might make it possible for me pinpoint what you have. Your logo is slightly different than the one on my 1976 French Evette. On mine, the words BUFFET CRAMPON are in smaller font and are wrapped around the outside bottom of the oval. That would suggest that either Buffet changed the logo on their "French" models during their final two years or that you have what is essentially a "German" Evette.
The change in serial number to 6 digits in the same format as the later E11 is still suggesting to me that the instrument was from the Schreiber factory and I'm still not seeing anything to suggest otherwise though the "Made in France" stamped on the bottom of your lower joint could signify that the joint (and perhaps other wooden parts of the instrument) were made in France then shipped to Germany for assembly.
Best regards,
jnk
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Author: Tony F
Date: 2014-08-12 04:00
I believe that I read somewhere, possibly on this forum, that at one time the woodwork was made in France and shipped to Schrieber for fitting the keywork.
Tony F.
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Author: GaryH
Date: 2014-08-12 07:08
The serial number at the top of the bottom joint on the socket is something found on Schreiber-made clarinets. The placement of the thumb rest screws that close together are also indicative of the Schreiber clarinets made in Germany. The shape of the bridge key on the upper joint is what you'd find on a Schreiber as well.
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Author: Rpynes4
Date: 2014-08-12 08:07
Thank you all for your comments....please bare with me as I'm checking out all the info ya'll have been sending me :-)
Jack, sorry for the late pictures. I had to wait until I got home so I could take more. Here they are....
Rachel Pynes
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Author: Rpynes4
Date: 2014-08-12 11:41
Thank you everyone for your help. I have been researching everything ya'll have told me....
Jack, I sent you an email with the pictures because this thread keeps telling me I have exceeded my maximum number of uploads.....very weird.
Anyways, i emailed you several. Please take a look when you get a chance, & if I need to get a more detailed one, please just let me know. :-)
Thank you all so much. I really appreciate all the feedback!
Rachel Pynes
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