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 transposing question
Author: bob gardner 
Date:   2001-04-14 20:21

I know that you add 2 flats or take away 2 sharps when you transpose. My question is what do you have left if you start with Cb major which has 6 flats? Or if you start with G# where do you wind up?
thanks.

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 RE: transposing question
Author: Ashley 
Date:   2001-04-14 21:17

Cb Major has 7 flats not 6.... when you transpose from concert pitch to clarinet, you add 2 sharps or take away 2 flats, vice versa if youre trasposing from clarinet to concert pitch.. now I'm confused.............

*thinks hard*

OK, if the concert pitch is Cb (7 flats), you tranpose (up one step) to Db (5 flats) for clarinet. If the clarinet key is Cb, you transpose down one step to.... A or Bbb (3 sharps or... 9 flats? that cant be right..) for concert...

*thinks hard again*

if theres 6 flats in the key signature, its in Gb (not Cb). if the concert key is 6 flats, its 4 flats for clarinet - Ab. if the clarinet key is Gb (or F#), you go down 1 step, to Fb/E (8 flats or 4 sharps..)

Um, ok, to transpose from concert pitch to clarinet - take what key it's in, go up one step, thats what key youre in. If youre going from clarinet to concert, go down one step, and thats what key youre in. I know what i'm talking about, just cant find the words.....

Am I even CLOSE to right??? If anybody can even understand what i'm saying - 3 cheers for my english teacher and stream-of-thought writing.

~Ashley~

PS - happy Easter and belated happy friday the 13th. I would have wished ya'll a happy friday the 13th yesterday, but i was busy visiting a bridge w/ some friends where some lady supposedly hung her kids and jumped in front of a train in the 40s or 50s, its supposedly haunted and scary stuff apparently happens. I definately got the crap scared of out me last night though.... LONG story...........

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 RE: transposing question
Author: Dee 
Date:   2001-04-14 21:35

bob gardner wrote:
>
> I know that you add 2 flats or take away 2 sharps when
> you transpose. My question is what do you have left if you
> start with Cb major which has 6 flats? Or if you start with G#
> where do you wind up?
> thanks.

I've given two examples here; going from concert key (like pianos and flutes) to Bb clarinet and going from Bb clarinet to concert key (which is what your question sounds like you are asking for).

*Going from CONCERT Key to Bb Clarinet.*

If the concert key is Cb major, it has 7 flats. So for the Bb clarinet transpose up one full step, taking away two flats. This will put you in the key of Db major with 5 flats.

Now lets tackle G# major. This isn't a standard key signature. The key signature used would be Ab major, which has four flats. On a Bb clarinet, go up one full step, taking away two flats. This puts you in the key of Bb.


*Going from Bb clarinet to Concert Key*

However now lets go the other way. Say the Bb clarinet key is in Cb major, which has 7 flats. Now to go to concert key one expects to go down a full step, adding two flats. Unless you are into weird notation though, you don't do it when the final number of flats would exceed 7. So now what do you do? You still go down a full step but you have to think of the equivalent note names. Cb is also B natural. So the key of Cb major is played the same as B natural, which has 5 sharps. Now you can move down a full step to A major, taking away two sharps.

Again, G# major isn't a standard key signature unless you are into wierd notations. So lets convert it to it's more "normal" rendering of Ab major, which has four flats. Now to convert to concert key, move down a full step to Gb, adding two flats for a total of six flats.

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 RE: transposing question
Author: bob gardner 
Date:   2001-04-15 00:16

dee:
maybe it would be easier to make chart
going from concert c to clarinet Bb
#1. c major becomes--------
#2 f major becomes----
#7 g major becomes----
etc etc etc.
this is really confusing.
The reason I'm asking this is because i have alot of piano music that I would like to change in order to play with a piano.
thanks

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 RE: transposing question
Author: Shelly 
Date:   2001-04-15 00:55

I have an easy solution :) :) :) :) Buy a keyboard that has an automatic transposition. My daughter can set it to play two halfsteps lower than written and then we can play the same music at the same time..... tee hee

shelly

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 RE: transposing question
Author: bob gardner 
Date:   2001-04-15 02:24

shelly: that won't work. my next store neighbor won't put out the money and then get rid of her piano to play along with me. So i have to do the work.

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 RE: transposing question
Author: Jim 
Date:   2001-04-15 04:19

Its not just keyboards that can transpose, but most recent digital pianos (my wife recently bought a Korg that really is a decent instrument) as well as electronic organs (including the Allens our church uses.) This is a great alternative to transposing when it is available.

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 RE: transposing question
Author: Dee 
Date:   2001-04-15 12:44

Piano key becomes Clarinet key

C becomes D
C# (or Db) becomes Eb
D becomes E
Eb becomes F
E becomes F# (or Gb)
F# (or Gb) becomes Ab
G becomes A
Ab becomes Bb
B (or Cb) becomes C# (or Db)

I hope this is clear.

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 RE: transposing question
Author: bob gardner 
Date:   2001-04-15 14:28

dee: you are wonderful. Come to the fest and I'll buy you a cup of coffee.
This so clear that even I understand it.
Thanks.
bob

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 RE: transposing question
Author: Dee 
Date:   2001-04-15 15:33

bob gardner wrote:
>
> dee: you are wonderful. Come to the fest and I'll buy
> you a cup of coffee.
> This so clear that even I understand it.
> Thanks.
> bob

Doubt that I'll be there as I have too much going on and not enough money right now but thanks anyway.

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 RE: Or Jazz people's way
Author: Hiroshi 
Date:   2001-04-16 01:53

Jazz people can transpose everything on the spot. (Another way of transposing.)
If they are given a primary note changed any intervals,not necessarily whole tone up or down, from the original, they automatically can transpose any tune on the spot. Classically trained people think for example C(primary tone) in C major as 'fixed' but Jazz people this 'moving' so to speak.
Typical example:harmonica playing. Nobody minds which hole is for C or D, but if given a primary note any child can transpose any tune.
(I think someone Jazz oriented could explain this more concretely. )

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 RE: Or Jazz people's way
Author: Roger 
Date:   2001-04-16 02:45

Hiroshi, could you explain the Jazz method of transposing further and the 'fixed' 'moving' concept you mentioned? I am in the same boat as Bob with a need to transpose for piano accompanyment, although I do play with a friend with a keyboard where we lower the keyboard two half tones it would be better if I could come to terms with what you suggest our Jazz friends can do. Roger.

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 RE: Or Jazz people's way
Author: bob gardner 
Date:   2001-04-16 17:53

I'm sure she means good jazz player. Heck I play jazz and still can't transpose. Some have a talent and can play anything in any key. The rest of us have to be confused when we open the case and try to figure out how to put the horn togeather.

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