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Author: GBK
Date: 2014-05-15 01:03
I watched Dan Gilbert play the Rhapsody in Blue opening on the Vandoren website and noticed a very usual fingering idea on the ![[G5]](http://test.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/smileys/g5.gif) to ![[Ab5]](http://test.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/smileys/ab5.gif) trill before the skip up to the high F.
Trill is at 9:42
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yA5y1u900yQ&safe=active
Is he really using his right index finger on the G to Ab trill, or are my eyes deceiving me?
...GBK
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2014-05-15 01:32
He did indeed do that.
German and Oehler systems have an extension piece soldered to the C#/G# key to allow it to be trilled with RH1 and reform Boehms have this too. Stephen Fox makes one that can be fitted to the C#/G# key arm on any Boehm system clarinet.
I use the RH2 C#/G# touch on my full Boehms to do the G-Ab trill as that's what it's there for.
Where there's a will, there's a way.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: fskelley
Date: 2014-05-15 01:46
My left pinky is my most sluggish finger, and I'm constantly having trouble making it play G-Ab-A bluesy stuff on an F chord. At my age I doubt I will ever make it fly at the speed I want. So I wonder if this modification would help. At least I'd have options.
Stan in Orlando
EWI 4000S with modifications
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Author: GBK
Date: 2014-05-15 02:02
Is he really trilling the G#/Ab key with his right index finger?
No way I can even reach it comfortably.
...GBK
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2014-05-15 04:00
Alright if your left pinky is fast, otherwise it can be a pain if not. My left hand fingers aren't anywhere as near agile as my RH fingers, so it's nice to have the duplicate C#/G# touch (or C-Db/G-Ab/alt.E-F trill key) fitted to full Boehms.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2014-05-15 04:30
I fitted one to a plateaux model Vito for a player with arthritis who can't reach the regular C#/G# touch due to its placement and the lack of movement in her LH pinky (even though I've raised this touchpiece considerably higher than normal, she still can't reach it), so she can use her RH index finger for C#/G# instead.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: fskelley
Date: 2014-05-17 08:26
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Upon further consideration, and reflecting on Chris' statement about repositioning the C#/G# key- I decided to work on the position of that key on my Arioso (Ridenour). This seems to be one of several keys that should be adjusted to fit the given player.
I bent it upward*, and it feels much better. But then it had too much travel for my taste and I added a plastic bumper to limit it. Eventually if I like it longer term, I'll replace the bumper with a proper piece of cork on the bottom of the key.
So far I think my left pinky is happy with the change. And maybe I don't need the extension.
*Note- Ted Ridenour assured me that such adjustments are fair game on their clarinets. But I've read that some keys on some brands may break if bent, especially those made of "pot metal". So please be careful.
Stan in Orlando
EWI 4000S with modifications
Post Edited (2014-05-17 08:35)
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2014-05-17 16:04
In the Vito I bent the C#/G# touch much higher and fitted an adjusting screw into the body underneath the touchpiece as a stopper instead of fitting a massively thick cork.
The difference between Boehm and non-Boehm clarinets is with the C/G tonehole situated on the lower joint which is the uppermost tonehole being located immediately below the socket - on non-Boehms (Oehlers, German and simple/Albert systems) this is an open tonehole closed by RH1 and it's in close proximity to the C#/G# key. On Boehms it's covered by a vent key and the RH1 tonehole chimney is lower down, so it's a bit of a distance from the C#/G# key so a much longer extension piece is needed on these. Wurlitzer reform Boehms have this touchpiece for RH1 and it's clear when comparing them to Oehler systems how much longer this extra touchpiece has to be to bring it close to RH1. The Stephen Fox add-on also arches over the RH ring key vent to bring it close to RH1.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: DSMUSIC1
Date: 2014-09-08 06:35
Yes, that trill is tricky for many folks.
Keep your fingers close to the keys, as close as possible so that it does not impact intonation. Relax your wrists and play from your fingers. You want to keep the tension out of your wrists.
Here is an example of the opening solo of Rhapsody in Blue with a long gliss on my channel.
I hope it is some help to you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3GbAKww1KI
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Author: Katrina
Date: 2014-09-08 07:25
I have been known to do that at times too. My left pinky can be a little uneven. Not that I couldn't eventually make it be even, but I don't play enough classical (or Gershwin) enough any more to take the time.
Same for the final altissimo E/F trill in Weber's Concertino.
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Author: David Spiegelthal ★2017
Date: 2014-09-11 23:05
I've done the mod Chris P described to several of my own Boehm-system clarinets (soldering an Oehler-like extension to the C#/G# key to allow r.h. index finger trilling). But I play so little soprano clarinet these days that the enhancement hardly ever gets used :(
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Author: derf5585
Date: 2014-09-12 00:53
Would the additions void the warranty.
Where there is a trill there is a way.
fsbsde@yahoo.com
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Author: Ken Shaw ★2017
Date: 2014-09-12 05:14
Katrina -
For the E/F trill at the end of the Concertino, play E and trill with the top side key.
Ken Shaw
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Author: Katrina
Date: 2014-09-12 06:06
Ken--
If I were performing it I'd use the standard fingering. I'm talking about when I'm feeling lazy and just trying to goof around.
Katrin
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Author: William
Date: 2014-09-12 19:21
I've never had any trouble with trilling the left hand pinky, it's the right pinky trill from D to Eb that worries me--and I have not yet come up with a "cheat" fingering to make this easier.
btw, I'm right handed, but bat left--go figure.
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2014-09-12 19:35
A LH Ab/Eb lever will allow you to do a double trill - both pinkies will trill at half the speed of the trill.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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