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Author: HANGARDUDE
Date: 2014-05-09 21:52
I have been using a Moennig barrel ever since the early days I play the clarinet. And its reverse taper bore had given me so much improvement on both sound and technique.
And not long ago, I happened to be trying some Backun barrels(Protege and Moba) with standard taper bores, and I found myself not wielding them too well, feeling that they have too little resistance.
As we all know the Moennig barrel is the staple barrel that most players use, and how much the reverse taper bore means to us, Has it happened to anybody that they tend to stick on reverse taper barrels ever since they start playing on them, and couldn't go back to standard taper barrels?
Josh
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Author: Paul Aviles
Date: 2014-05-09 22:17
I don't think it has so much to do with the taper as much as that you found a barrel that matches how you play and/or is a good match for that mouthpiece (or mouthpieces) you prefer.
One good lesson for me was a mouthpiece trial I had of Greg Smith mouthpieces. He sent along about three barrels that he said were well matched to the mouthpieces he sent. There was one pairing of the group that was sheer heaven (a Chadash). The ONLY thing that kept me from picking up that barrel was that I had gone to the Yamaha CSG by then and the barrels are specific to that horn (I did try out the barrels on a loaner R13).
I still dream about the barrel that got away.
..................Paul Aviles
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Author: Barry Vincent
Date: 2014-05-09 23:44
To get the 'low down' on the moennig taper and the 'supposed' benefits watch Tom Ridenour's Utube videos Episodes 42 (Part 1) and 43 (Part 2) "Unraveling the moennig taper mystery.
BJV
"The Kazoo is not a horn"
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Author: DavidBlumberg
Date: 2014-05-10 03:50
The new icon has a taper, that is called a reverse taper, but is actually a flare, unlike the Moennig, which truly has a reverse taper.
Many barrels that are Moennig do not have the "specification" dimension of being .010" from top to bottom
.588 and .578 if I recall (in inches)
They are numbers. Whatever works for the player works, and if not, then why could be due to the numbers not jiving.
http://www.SkypeClarinetLessons.com
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Author: BobD
Date: 2014-05-10 11:00
Barry: In #42 a question is asked by Michael Manning that essentially challenges Tom's contention that Moennig used a standard #2 Morse Taper reamer. He asks Tom to explain how Moennig could get a "Moennig Taper" with a Morse Taper reamer which has a much greater taper per inch than Moennig ended up with. Tom did not offer an explanation leaving viewers to think about it.
I am no barrel maker but my belief is that Moennig only used a #2 MT reamer to open up one end of a straight bore barrel gradually until he got the magic .589 dimension. These tests did not produce a gradually tapered bore but after he got the magic combination he had a special reamer made that yielded a gradual taper from .580 to .589. A #2 Morse Taper reamer goes from 0.700 at one end to 0.572 at the other end and thus it is 0.589 at some in-between location. Tom keeps his tongue in his cheek at times.
Bob Draznik
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Author: Tom Ridenour
Date: 2014-05-10 12:52
Bob,
Thanks for pointing out the question Mr. Manning asked. It didn't go unanswered due to an unwillingness to address the question.....It's just with 100+ videos and a myriad of other things to do Tom doesn't always see or have time to address every question asked. As Mr. Manning a question was one of substance im confident this was simply an issue of him not seeing it.
Ill mention it to him this coming week and I'm sure at some point he will offer a response.
Ted Ridenour
Ridenour Clarinet Products,
rclarinetproducts.com
sales@ridenourclarinetproducts.com
Post Edited (2014-05-10 13:02)
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Author: Alseg
Date: 2014-05-10 16:33
My original Moennig barrel that came with a new instrument from his shop in 1963 measured .602 top and .579 bottom. A pile of barrels with various measurements sat in the old retail case on the right side as you entered the shop (actually it was a victorian display cabinet probably from a second hand store to go with the threadbare FM radio in the back of the shop)
New Buffet labelled Moennig versions are considerably less steep.
Remember that the "flavor of the day" mouthpiece and the late 1950s Buffets had different dimensions than today's varieties.
Also remember that dear old Hans removed 1 mm from the lower joint tenon (above the bell) to further alter intonation and correct the inherent flat low E/F.
(Has was a closet mohel? who knew?)
I have a suspicion that the OP might be referencing trialing STOCK barrels vs reverse taper.
Today I see measurements all over the place. Some belong on skeet chokes.
If it works, use it. Have fun.
Former creator of CUSTOM CLARINET TUNING BARRELS by DR. ALLAN SEGAL
-Where the Sound Matters Most(tm)-
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Author: BobD
Date: 2014-05-10 17:59
Ted: I hope you realize that I was not faulting Tom for not responding to the question.
Bob Draznik
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