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Author: ned
Date: 2014-03-18 13:45
Apparently this a virtuoso 10 year old...but looks and ears can be deceptive...is this him actually playing? I play Albert system so I'm unsure of where the fingers should be on a Boehm.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKoybjXE0P0
The kid also posts some ''What do you mean?" responses to some cryptic posts from others.
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2014-03-18 14:31
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKoybjXE0P0
Looks and sounds real enough to me (too much echo on his amp and the sound is slightly out of synch with the video which is common on YouTube), although it's not the kind of clarinet sound I particularly like, he is playing what you're hearing.
I can't see why anyone's got a problem with that, apart from maybe jealousy. But that's typical of YouTube comments.
Here's another video of him playing tenor sax which I think is much better (he will grow into it soon!):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jV76KoIybh0
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
Post Edited (2014-03-18 11:01)
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Author: Paul Aviles
Date: 2014-03-18 12:33
Really only says to me how easy it is to make bad jazz sound good.
............Paul Aviles
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Author: fskelley
Date: 2014-03-18 16:43
Paul Aviles wrote:
> Really only says to me how easy it is to make bad jazz sound
> good.
Paul- ssshhhhhhhh !!!! that's a secret! ![[grin]](http://test.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/smileys/smilie5.gif)
Stan in Orlando
EWI 4000S with modifications
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Author: Bruno
Date: 2014-03-18 17:44
In the first place the kid is not a virtuoso. In the second place that IS him playing, and considering what most ten-year-old are doing today, he has worked hard and diligently and is pretty good. And for those of you who are envious the word is envy not jealousy. Look it up.
In the (what is it now?) fourth place, what he's playing is not "good" jazz. The difference between good jazz and mediocre "jazz" is, as Mark Twain observed about the right word and the almost right word, the difference between lightening and a lightening bug.
And a comment on how "easy" it is to make bad jazz sound good says to me that the observer doesn't know the difference, no offense.
And in the fifth place, I wish that I had had this kid's ambition at his age. I am not jealous but I am envious.
bruno>
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Author: fskelley
Date: 2014-03-18 14:00
Well, WRT jazz being easy at least some of the time--- What I immediately thought of is how frequently, when I'm improvising, I hit an unintended note, or several. And then I just go on like that's what I meant to play, and it kind of works- sometimes even better than what I actually had in mind. And I try to remember it for the next time.
And I KNOW classical players never do that.
Stan in Orlando
EWI 4000S with modifications
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2014-03-18 18:23
"And for those of you who are envious the word is envy not jealousy. Look it up."
Yeah, it probably is. Maybe you ought to try to educate the average YouTube member with the correct terminology and grammar use (among loads of other things) - I'm sure you'll get nowhere fast there.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: ned
Date: 2014-03-19 00:48
Paul Aviles wrote: ''Really only says to me how easy it is to make bad jazz sound good.''
I'm unsure of the meaning of this.
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Bruno wrote: (along with some other comments) ''In the first place the kid is not a virtuoso...''
May be not a virtuoso, but a better player than some adults I am acquainted with. I agree with pretty much all you wrote actually.
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fskelley speaks of hitting unintended notes.
An astute subjective observation, I'd say. In any event, the hitting of the wrong or unintended note has been a cornerstone in my attempts to play a different solo each time I play another rendition of any particular number.
BTW and FWIW - what does ''WRT'' may I ask? AFAIK and IMHO this the first time I have spotted this abbreviation.
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Author: fskelley
Date: 2014-03-19 04:56
wrt = with respect to
And the reason you can get away with the wrong notes in jazz is that nobody really knows what you were trying to do anyway, except you. Which makes it a lot easier to act nonchalant than if you hit a prominent wrong note (assume it's not a actual SQUEAK) during a classical moment that every 7th grader taking clarinet lessons recognizes as a flub.
On the other hand, there was a whole thread here about faking it, with the admission that not everything classical always gets played exactly as written, and not just because somebody takes liberties, but because they have no other choice. And they act like all is OK... what else are they supposed to do? Ah, the emperor is not always fully dressed.
Stan in Orlando
EWI 4000S with modifications
Post Edited (2014-03-19 05:04)
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Author: Paul Aviles
Date: 2014-03-19 06:50
I wish to apologize to our young player (Alexander?). I was snarky and it was more hurtful than helpful.....sorry.
This young fellow IS quite talented. I guess I just had a knee jerk reaction to some simple jazz formulae (play the right scale, don't use avoid notes, emphasize the blue notes, yadda yadda yadda). Of course I say that as someone who CANNOT do even that (partly because I cannot even bear to listen to this stuff. Too much Mozart and Brahms around to waste time that way).
Our young player certainly has some solid musical guidance if not the best "standard technical advice." He'll probably be earning more a year than most of us earn in a lifetime in short order though.
.................Paul Aviles
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Author: ned
Date: 2014-03-19 07:11
fskelley wrote: ''And the reason you can get away with the wrong notes in jazz is that nobody really knows what you were trying to do anyway, except you.''
Wrong notes ARE wrong notes and UNINTENDED notes are just that. The two are not really interchangeable. We'll leave ''free'' jazz out of the argument though.
There are some astute non-players out there who can tell when you hit the one or the other, so don't think for a moment that your audience will not notice. Even the least knowledgable will probably FEEL something is wrong.
Faking it is OK, we have to now and then, but we do so from a bag (a fairly big one, I'd hope) of tried and true phrases and runs.
Of course, the unintended notes, if they work, should be added to the bag.
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