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Author: Chris P
Date: 2014-03-13 17:14
More about the new "chalumeau system with two toneholes" in this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OweUxjq6Jw
Sadly it's not the triple vent speaker mechanism I hoped it would be with an extra vent to "eliminate the wolves" on the upper register F#.
They've also added an additional low Eb touch for the right thumb - it's in the same location as the existing thumb low D touch on the current Prestige (and Uebel Emperior) low C basses.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
Post Edited (2014-03-13 21:22)
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Author: Ken Shaw ★2017
Date: 2014-03-13 18:22
Chris -
I think an automatic mechanism, operating three register vents plus throat Bb, would be complex, heavily sprung and unreliable.
It occurs to me that it should be a (relatively) simple job to add a manual third vent operated by the left thumb, the left palm or the right index finger. Has this been tried?
Ken Shaw
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2014-03-13 18:27
Oehler system basses have a fully automatic triple vent mechanism with the lowest vent for throat Bb/upper B-D#, then another vent in the socket area for E-G# and then the crook key vent for A-C, so why not Boehm systems?
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2014-03-13 23:34
... Or you could buy an Uebel Emperior bass which is pretty much the same thing as a Prestige bass - only less expensive.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: tictactux ★2017
Date: 2014-03-14 00:55
ACK Chris re the Emperior. (I owe you a beer for that hint!)
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Ben
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Author: clarnibass
Date: 2014-03-14 08:23
If I understand the extra key just opens as a resonance key for throat Bb but there are no seperate throat Bb and lower register keys... right?
The extra low key roller and adjustment screw for the neck linkage are reasons enough to switch from the previous models, but what seals the deal is the new logo strip instead of a circle.......
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2014-03-14 09:19
They really pushed the boat out here!
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: ebonite
Date: 2014-03-14 13:24
I guess that the Bb resonance key is partly designed to improve the twelfths E/B and F/C. If the Bb is vented, it means that the lower register vent can be smaller, and in a better position to get the notes above the break in tune.
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Author: donald
Date: 2014-03-14 09:30
Well, the extra resonance key for the throat B flat probably means they can make the other tonehole (the "register key for the bottom end") a touch smaller which would explain how they lowered the pitch on C (over the break) without flattening the low F more than it already is (flattened)....
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One tonehole as register key for "bottom end"
One tonehole as register key for "top end"
Two toneholes to opperate for throat B flat
I suppose that's an improvement, though I'm not going to donate any organs to pay for it...
dn
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2014-03-14 10:01
How long before they release the Greenline version?
Not that I'll ever be in the market for one.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: tictactux ★2017
Date: 2014-03-14 14:42
But did you hear - they replaced the "RH thumb" low D with a low Eb alternative...doesn't sound very "logical" to me, I'd rather sacrificed the LH low D for the Eb...
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Ben
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2014-03-14 14:55
Considering Buffet (and Uebel) low C basses have three low D keys, I suppose they were wise in changing the thumb low D touch to a low Eb touch as sometimes it's good to have the extra low Eb key.
I rarely use the thumb low D touch as there are the LH and RH low D touches which are more accessible, so I think turning it into a low Eb touch is a good idea. That kind of keywork alteration can be carried out on a Prestige bass if need be.
The LH low D lever is standard equipment on the majority of low C basses, so that's probably best kept as is - things have only recently settled down in terms of keywork configuration on low C basses.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: clarnibass
Date: 2014-03-14 18:04
>> But did you hear - they replaced the "RH thumb" low D with a low Eb alternative...doesn't sound very "logical" to me, I'd rather sacrificed the LH low D for the Eb... <<
Yes, that's how Selmer has been doing it for a long time.
There was a Facebook post about this bass and several people (including me) agree with you that they/we would rather have a left pinky Eb key and keep the thumb D key.
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Author: HANGARDUDE
Date: 2014-03-16 11:15
Clarnibass, I agree with you too, though I'm buying an Oehler bass around the same price. The 2nd Eb key should have been a left pinky. More logical and flexible.
Josh
Post Edited (2014-03-16 11:32)
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