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 Practice time frustration and reeds
Author: thehammerclarinet 
Date:   2014-03-08 19:58

Hi all

I've come across a problem playing-wise. Is it actually true that if another person is getting in more practice time than you, they'll eventually play better? For ex. A player who has been playing for 6 years and practices 1-2 hrs a day vs a player who has been playing for 5 years and practices 2-4 hrs a day? Is it smart practicing or is it simply the amount of time you have a your horn in your mouth that will improve your overall playing? (I am a High School clarinet player)

Another problem is reeds. How often do you all go through reeds? My current set up is a Buffet R13, VD M15 mp, VD optimum ligature, and V12 3.5 reeds) I feel that whenever I open up a box of reeds, about a week in of breaking them in, they are extremely free blowing, very soft, and simply don't have any color to them(if that even matters?) I've tried using size 4s but they are a little too hard, as I like to have some control of my sound. Would anyone recommend synthetic reeds or any other good types? I'm currently active in chamber groups, bands, and orchestras. On days without rehearsals, I can practice anywhere from 2-4 hrs a day. Any recommendations of reeds or any help is very appreciated!

Thanks!

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 Re: Practice time frustration and reeds
Author: pewd 
Date:   2014-03-08 15:28

Focus on what you are practicing, not how much time.
Methodically work through scale and etude studies. Set a goal for each week, as to what material you will work on.

Try Rico grand concert selects?

A good private teacher would help...

- Paul Dods
Dallas, Texas

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 Re: Practice time frustration and reeds
Author: Paul Aviles 
Date:   2014-03-08 15:43

How are you "breaking-in" your reeds? If you go about 3 to 5 minutes at a single sitting over the course of 3-5 days, there should be no problem with them settling in. If you play longer than just a few minutes on a single new reed each day, you run the risk of them becoming water logged (turn a darker color, brownish or greenish usually up the center right over the heart) and pretty much play that way from then on.


As for practice, it is BOTH. If you are truly playing as well as you can, thinking and working diligently every moment........ and you do that four or five hours a day, you'll be better than if either you played less or thought less. But you must determine your priorities for yourself. Certainly, dedicated, smart practice is better than just sitting around not even paying attention to what is coming out the other end of the horn. Just continue to do what you can. And remember, great playing IS great listening.




.............Paul Aviles



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 Re: Practice time frustration and reeds
Author: fskelley 
Date:   2014-03-08 20:52

I don't have much advice to offer- I'm anxious to see what some others here will tell you. However, one of the big surprises to me about serious clarinet play is how big a problem the reed remains, even to high end professionals. Some do claim (or at least allow others to presume) to have this issue licked. But their routines, protocols, systems- don't catch on for others.

You seem to have a $100/month reed habit, and you're not even happy with that (at the end of a week, a box of reeds is already playing unsatisfactorily for you). When I was trying to keep myself in nicely playing Legeres, I could have spent that much or more at $20 a pop, even playing 45 minutes/day. Some players here on BBoard report indefinite life for synthetics, and/or months of life for properly broken in cane reeds. I am skeptical. I note that reed mfg's offer 50-packs. I used to think those were for band directors, but maybe not.

Best of luck to you!

Stan in Orlando

EWI 4000S with modifications

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 Re: Practice time frustration and reeds
Author: Funfly 
Date:   2014-03-08 16:31

You don't know how lucky you are...
I practice every day for two or three sessions of around 20 minutes each maximum.
The time for each session is when I run out of puff and get red faced.
It's bl--dy hard work at my age.

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 Re: Practice time frustration and reeds
Author: Ed 
Date:   2014-03-09 03:55

Theoretically, practicing more will yield improvement. At the same time, smart practice is even better. Some players spend a lot of time spinning their wheels, but don't use their time wisely. Have longterm goals and every day have a game plan for what you will accomplish.

As to reeds, there area number of great reeds in the Rico line. At the same time, since you are using V12, try 3.5+. They might be a little hard to start, but may then ind up just where you want them once they break in.

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 Re: Practice time frustration and reeds
Author: pplateau 
Date:   2014-03-09 05:00

Try some synthetic reeds: Legere or Forestone for your practicing or more. No more fussing with cane; and/or use your best canes for special occasions.

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 Re: Practice tim'de frustration and reeds
Author: TomS 
Date:   2014-03-09 07:03

I agree on the synthetic reeds ... Time, right now, might be better spent on playing and not fussing with reeds. Your teacher can help you adjust reeds as you progress. The Legere regular cut reeds will get a very good sound on your M15 and you may NOT want to switch to cane reeds later on ...

And, it's not how long you practice, it's HOW you practice.

Vince Lombardi said: "Practice doesn't make perfect. PERFECT PRACTICE makes perfect!"

Most importantly, a great teacher that also plays well and can demonstrate great playing and inspire you.

Tom

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 Re: Practice time frustration and reeds
Author: muppie 
Date:   2014-03-09 17:00

Wow, I learned something new again.

"...you run the risk of them becoming water logged (turn a darker color, brownish or greenish usually up the center right over the heart)"

I've had a few of those, but strangely they are all the V12s that have this darker colour at the centre right over the heart.

On another thing, which Legere strength would be best paired with a VD M15 mouthpiece?



Post Edited (2014-03-09 17:17)

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 Re: Practice time frustration and reeds
Author: Bruno 
Date:   2014-03-09 18:41

The OP said, "Is it actually true that if another person is getting in more practice time than you, they'll eventually play better . . . .?"

Only if they have more talent. Mozart, Puccini, and Beethoven probably didn't have to practice at all. It would take me three lifetimes, and even then I would look like the clumsy fool that I am.
The good book advises, "Take that which is thine and go thy way." Good advice.

bruno>



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 Re: Practice time frustration and reeds
Author: ThatPerfectReed 
Date:   2014-03-09 20:41

While this has been covered well above, I’d like to answer this more in a recipe format: a checklist you can do.

> I've come across a problem playing-wise. Is it actually true that if another person is getting in more practice time than you, they'll eventually play better?

1) No. Like already said, it depends on the your innate abilities compared to the other player’s, the quality of your respectively practice times, and yes, time spent behind the clarinet, not simply practicing the solos, but the etudes from the teaching books.

> Another problem is reeds. How often do you all go through reeds? My current set up is a Buffet R13, VD M15 mp, VD optimum ligature, and V12 3.5 reeds) I feel that whenever I open up a box of reeds, about a week in of breaking them in, they are extremely free blowing, very soft, and simply don't have any color to them(if that even matters?)

I've tried using size 4s but they are a little too hard, as I like to have some control of my sound. Would anyone recommend synthetic reeds or any other good types?

2) Break in reeds slowly. Follow a methodology for doing so, not inconsistent from this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9y0Zv3EZ-Ms. Switch around what reeds in your playing stock you play. Expect them to last weeks. Rub the top of reeds down to seal in the pores.

3) Acquire this: http://www.ridenourclarinetproducts.com/ATG1.html
I truly believe the ATG system is worth it, and I have nothing to gain/lose by recommending it. Notice that I did not mention that the ATG system of reed balancing is the holy grail of clarinet play. That’s because there is no holy grail of clarinet play.

4)Balance your reeds as per the above, starting with a strength 4 stock may be the way to go for you.

5)Sure, try other manufacturer’s reeds if you like. Rico Reserve, Gonzalez (never tried), but don’t set your expectations too high that any manufacturer’s reeds are going to be your pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. That pot's stuck in the same inaccessible place as the aforementioned grail. Know you are not alone: everyone deals with reed issues. Where we differ is on the place where we accept that a reed is no longer good. Don't play crappy reeds. Conversely, don't disguard decent if not excellent ones. Use them for practice. That sentence has double meaning. Practice as in scales, etudes, solos, and practice as in "preparation for the real world where you good reeds will sometimes be off during performances too."


6) Go out and buy some synthetic Forestones and Legere’s. Each manufacturer’s website has charts that compare the reed strengths to major competitor’s reeds. Buy synthetics at the strength you play (3.75ish), not what you buy your reeds at (4ish). Compare synthetics by reed strength, more than mouthpiece you're playing on.

Slap on a synthetic for practice if you can’t find good cane. Never sacrifice practice time.

7) Keep your reeds in a humidity controlled environment when not in play. Plenty of posts on the board talk about this. Always spend some time preparing new reeds, as your existing good ones will eventually fail you.

8)Sightreed. Slow the metronome down and play accurately first. Then, speed the metronome up.

.......I have at least 10,000 more [wink]. I tailored the first 8 for you.



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