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Author: Andrez444
Date: 2014-03-06 14:39
I would welcome any advice and help with a tricky passage i am experiencing from Dvorak's Water Goblin Suite.
I have attached the 6 or so bars (for me) from the Andante Sostenuto section, which i am having difficulty with.
My first issue is making a smooth connection between the d3 to altissimo g, and using a fingering which is both in tune and assists the legato.
I have considered the following:
X00 000 Eb. (this fingering gives good intonation though on my A Clarinet is not easy to produce.
X00 X00, enables a smooth approach though is really sharp.
My other option has been OXO XXO which is good, though i then have co-ordination problems to descend to the f.
Second tricky moment which occurs is going from the e to the g and then again descending.
these intervals seem much more secure on the B flat clarinet.
I play on a pair of R13 Clarinets.
Post Edited (2014-03-06 14:42)
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Author: ThatPerfectReed
Date: 2014-03-06 22:16
Cheers Andrez:
Since no music segment appears attached, and the piece otherwise appears to be part of the public domain, as found in the Internal Music Score Library Projects domain, perhaps I could get you to click here:
1) http://imslp.org/wiki/The_Water_Goblin,_Op.107_(Dvo%C5%99%C3%A1k,_Anton%C3%ADn)
2) Click the "Parts" tab.
3) Click "View" on the, presumably 3rd entry (Clarinets) and point out the measures in question giving you grief. (PDF viewer required).
Of course do none of this if Mr. Charette, our moderator, says "no." ![[wink]](http://test.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/smileys/smilie3.gif)
Once the notes are within both our sites (the bboards and yours) I hope I and others can chime in with their thoughts.
![[grin]](http://test.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/smileys/smilie5.gif)
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Author: AAAClarinet
Date: 2014-03-06 23:22
I am by no means a professional clarinetist but I see two reasonable ways that would work for me. For me and my clarinet I would play the G X00/XX0 then play the long F, sorry I don't know how to notate the fingering for that. The other way would be to play the G with the standard F fingering adding the first two fingers of the right hand. I could be totally wrong, but I makes sense in my head. (I don't have my clarinet with me) Hope this helps.
AAAClarinet
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Author: GBK
Date: 2014-03-06 18:43
Play the first ![[G6]](http://test.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/smileys/g6.gif) as:
TR oxo +bottom right side key / ooo (Ab/Eb)
Play the next as:
TR xoo/ooo
...GBK
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Author: clarinetist04
Date: 2014-03-06 20:18
The only part that matches what he said is after rehearsal number 6. It's andante so make sure you're not playing it too fast (probably not) - I would play it with standard fingerings. I don't see any reason not to.
from the A I would be the next altissimo F with standard oxx with the C# pinky and then standard D up to G as oxo xxo then F standard again like before. The only thing tricky about this passage as I can see is the altissimo F to clarion G# but since all the F's have the pinky (I think?) down I think you just need to work through this. Also maybe the clarion A to altissimo F but only because of needing controlled breath support so both notes sound but you down "squawk" or pop the F. If you get extra notes between the D and G, that's what practice is for. I don't believe there is a responsible quick fix to this passage without suffering from an intonation issue.
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Author: clarinetist04
Date: 2014-03-06 20:18
yeah, same problem trying to add attachments. Frustrating.
Post Edited (2014-03-06 20:19)
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Author: kdk
Date: 2014-03-07 01:39
I had been having trouble adding attachments. Mark Charette was a great help last time. A couple of caveats about attachments:
1. If you get an error, read it to find out what formats can be attached. Jpegs and PDFs can be uploaded. Tiffs can't.
2. If your attachment fails, there's no way to add it later by editing your original post, and it's difficult (if not impossible) to add it in a subsequent post to the same thread. When I tried to do this, I got errors saying I couldn't send attachments because I wasn't the owner of the thread. On Mark's recommendation, I started a completely new thread and attached the PDF. It worked with no problem. Except, of course, that my question was now split between two threads.
Karl
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Author: ThatPerfectReed
Date: 2014-03-07 03:35
If the above is the place, of course, when all else fails, write section 6 down a semitone and whip out the Bb clarinet here, which you claim to like better for the tough high stuff in this section. So what lots of the other stuff in the section will have sharps/flats...it's slow enough in tempo here to manage that.
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Author: Jack Kissinger
Date: 2014-03-07 00:22
Anyone who's followed this Board for any length of time knows that Glenn (GBK) is the resident expert on fingerings here. As usual, his suggestions work well.
Andrez, if you want a couple of alternatives to play with for the first G, Robert's suggestion:
RT oxo xxo Eb should work well, as should:
RT xox xox Eb
The advantage to Glenn's fingering, however, is that it gives the smoothest transition from the D to the G.
If I'm looking at the right place (9 measures after rehearsal number 6), Glenn, I'm not sure why you opt for the overblown A for the next G6, given it follows an E6. It seems to me, your original fingering actually works just fine for all three Gs. Perhaps you would elaborate?
FWIW, if I didn't use:
RT oxo K1 ooo Eb
for the last two Gs (only), I would probably use:
RT oxx xxo Eb
It is the fingering I was taught as the standard years ago.
Best regards,
jnk
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Author: pewd
Date: 2014-03-07 06:05
> G as oxo xxo
Usually to be avoided, extremely sharp on most clarinets.
- Paul Dods
Dallas, Texas
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Author: BobW
Date: 2014-03-07 06:57
Attachment: measures.jpg (126k)
I think this is the portion of the score we are talking about
see attachment
Post Edited (2014-03-07 02:12)
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Author: GBK
Date: 2014-03-07 08:01
Jack - Thanks for the compliment. Much appreciated.
For 9 measures after rehearsal number 6, and 10 measures after number 6, I like using the G6 fingering
TR xoo/ooo
probably because I like to keep all motion in one hand only.
Your suggestions are also quite good and very workable.
...GBK
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Author: clarnibass
Date: 2014-03-07 11:24
>> Usually to be avoided, extremely sharp on most clarinets. <<
It's the main G fingering I use and it's not extremely sharp on most clarinets I've played.
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Author: Alexis
Date: 2014-03-07 08:58
It's a shame the TR xoo/ooo doesn't work well on your A clarinet - for a passage like this, I want the least complicated fingerings (and shortest), as I find the longer it is, the greater the difference in resistance to surrounding notes.
However, to that fingering, I almost always add the right hand sliver key, which works well on my R13 A. If it doesn't work with the sliver, see if there is a trill fingering from F to G or F sharp to G that is in tune using the side-keys. A shorter less resistant fingering like that will be easier to make legato, and also I think will have more flexibility in pitch.
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Author: Alexis
Date: 2014-03-07 16:17
Further to last post,
Try TR xoo/ooo and 1st side key (Eb/ab) - don't vent, as quite high but very flexible
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Author: Andrez444
Date: 2014-03-07 20:41
Thanks so far for all of the advice, both in terms of the passage and also the attachments, and to Bob who located the bars we are discussing. i have been trying out the different options.
I do like Glen's suggestion for the 1st g,
TR OX0 + bottom right side key / OOO Ab/Eb
It is really useful in getting the legato from the d to g.
I also agree with Alexis on getting the TR X00/000 Ab/Eb to work and will work with the tip around the side key also.
Again I really appreciate everyone's contributions on here.
Andrew
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