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Author: tictactux ★2017
Date: 2014-01-17 15:00
Attachment: LucienDeluxePads.jpg (18k)
got these from China, via That Auction Site.
Normally these aren't exactly cheap, so I must assume these are fakes. (I know counterfeit instruments are sold, but hey, pads...)
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Ben
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2014-01-17 15:04
Glad I try to avoid having to use skin pads anyway, but I'll definitely avoid these like the plague!
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: clarnibass
Date: 2014-01-17 11:23
It's just the print on the back so they can just as easily fake any type of pads they already make, like leather.
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Author: gsurosey
Date: 2014-01-17 14:23
These look like they've been used to me (without being able to see the fronts; see the glue patterns on the back of the pads). Have you used these or did they come like that?
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Rachel
Clarinet Stash:
Bb/A: Buffet R13
Eb: Bundy
Bass: Royal Global Max
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Author: tictactux ★2017
Date: 2014-01-17 16:55
No, the pads are new - the "glue" on the back is actually the skin wrapped over the backs. They look and feel "normal" - how they behave is a different story.
I bought them out of curiosity, if they're really that bold to sell it with these printed backs. With a whole instrument, it's comparably easy to prove it's a fake, but if ever a repair person in the far or distant future changes a torn pad and reads that name on the backs, it'd be difficult to prove they were fake... :-(
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Ben
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Author: Gordon (NZ)
Date: 2014-01-18 08:06
So it would seem that Buffet buys their pads from China.
That could explain why they have such a thin, brittle membrane that they start splitting within a year or so.
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Author: Lelia Loban ★2017
Date: 2014-01-18 12:58
I buy pads from Ferree's. (I'm just a satisfied customer -- no ties to the company.) They make their own. They've never sent me anything counterfeit or defective and the several types of clarinet and sax pads I've bought (for both vintage and modern instruments) have all been excellent quality.
Lelia
http://www.scoreexchange.com/profiles/Lelia_Loban
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Author: clarnibass
Date: 2014-01-19 10:26
>> I buy pads from Ferree's. (I'm just a satisfied customer -- no ties to the company.) They make their own. <<
Most (not all) of the pads sold by Ferree's are made by Music Center.
Post Edited (2014-01-19 15:29)
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Author: Gordon (NZ)
Date: 2014-01-19 11:49
>> They make their own.<<
Just curious... How did you get that impression? Was the misleading of your own making, or theirs, or somebody else?
"... They've never sent me anything counterfeit or defective ... all been excellent quality."
How would one actually know? All sorts of reputable names in the music industry are now selling much lower quality standard items from China (to compete in the marketplace)
Even Buffet has supplied instruments with pads that are nowhere near th quality they used to be. They often start splitting within a year! They used to last a decade before they even thought about splitting. I doubt any reputable pad maker would put their name on these.
So what does counterfeit mean anymore? Is Buffet supplying their own "counterfeit" pads? If not, what is the trigger point at which they would be called counterfeit?
Post Edited (2014-01-19 06:50)
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Author: Lelia Loban ★2017
Date: 2014-01-19 17:50
I'm an amateur, but I think I do know the Ferree's pads are good, because I've installed them on nearly all of my clarinets now, including all of the ones I play regularly except my bass (which had lightly-used pads and only needed two replacements when I bought it). If I was mistaken about Ferree's still making the pads in-house, I apologize -- my information may be obsolete. I haven't checked lately. But I think I do know the difference between a good pad and a lousy one. The ones I've bought from Ferree's are holding up very well and, as I wrote earlier, Ferree's has never supplied me with a defective pad or with any product that appeared to be anything different than (or inferior to) what the company said it was selling. That's one of the most reliable companies I've ever dealt with.
Lelia
http://www.scoreexchange.com/profiles/Lelia_Loban
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Author: Steven Ocone
Date: 2014-01-19 13:58
I believe that Music Center pads are from Pisoni, as well as Lucien and a few other names. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Ferree's made their own pads a while back, but I believe they are all from Pisoni now.
When a distributor orders pads from Pisoni, or another big pad maker, they specify the materials and dimensions. Knowing that two pads were made at the same company doesn't guarantee that they will work the same.
Steve Ocone
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Author: clarnibass
Date: 2014-01-19 20:33
>> I believe that Music Center pads are from Pisoni <<
Sort of. The company used to be called Pisoni but is now called Music Center. So in the past Pisoni pads were made by Pisoni and now Pisoni pads are made by Music Center, but it is the same thing. The pads are sometimes called Pisoni because that used to be the company's name and because some of their pads has that name printed on the back.
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Author: Gordon (NZ)
Date: 2014-01-20 16:47
And I've heard on good authority that one pad with Pisoni written on the back is not necessarily the same model pad as another with Pisoni written on the back.
Apart from price, what evidence is there that the opening post/s pictured pads are not genuine, originating from Music Center?
At least one of their models has Lucien Delux written on the back, and looks very similar.
Since Music Center got a web site accessible to all, their prices seem to have sky rocketed. It is conceivable that somebody buying sufficient quantity, and/or knowing the right people, could buy at a far cheaper price, and be selling genuine ones quite cheap from China on the internet.
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Author: tictactux ★2017
Date: 2014-01-20 19:16
> Apart from price, what evidence is there that the opening post/s pictured
> pads are not genuine, originating from Music Center?
No obvious evidence. I haven't got a certified original to compare it with; they look as paddish as eg Zheng Hao pads or "plain" Music Center pads do.
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Ben
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Author: Steven Ocone
Date: 2014-01-21 05:57
>Apart from price, what evidence is there that the opening post/s pictured
> pads are not genuine, originating from Music Center?
If they are mailed from China, I would assume that they are not made by Music Center.
Steve Ocone
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Author: Gordon (NZ)
Date: 2014-01-22 04:35
Yes, that is likely, but not a total given.
Take one, say 17 mm, and fold a 90 degree bend in it, with the membrane on the convex side for the bend.
If the membrane splits, then it is probably not of music Center's standard high quality. (They would be more like what Buffet puts on their instruments now, having given up the exceptionally high quality pads they used a few decades ago. Note to Buffet: It has been noticed and well deserves broadcasting!)
But Music Center is a mighty big producer, and no doubt will make pads to any quality (or lack of) by request from a larger buyer.
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