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Author: afmdoclaw
Date: 2013-12-17 21:55
THE great Eddie Daniels near the end of the bridge-- yep I do think so.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0RpblHqssQ&list=PLzGM316haeXslycatm-nBpKzTN3j4BqMM
Guess he is human after all
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Author: Clarimeister
Date: 2013-12-17 22:52
As is every professional clarinetist? I don't get the whole squeek being an atrocity thing. It's a clarinet, it squeeks. There's no superhuman that's perfect every single time.
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Author: Ed Palanker
Date: 2013-12-17 23:55
Every professional clarinetist squeaks now and then, no big deal, don't make it into anything.
ESP eddiesclarinet.com
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2013-12-18 01:24
It's just one of those things that can happen to anyone.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: Ken Shaw ★2017
Date: 2013-12-18 02:17
Louis Cahuac recorded the Neilsen Concerto and the Mozart Concerto on 78s. In each, he made a BIG squeak. Those 78s were cut in a single continuous take for each side and couldn't be edited. I assume they left the squeaks in because that take was better than any of the others. Also, the Mozart finale went at a snail's pace. (I have both as LPs). When these recordings were made, technical perfection came second to musicality.
The recordings have been reissued on Danacord http://www.danacord.dk/frmsets/records/722-723-r.html, which I got recently. They edited out the squeaks and speeded up the Mozart finale.
They're far from perfect. Cahuzac's soloistic blowing style didn't work well for chamber music. Hanudel gave them a hatchet job, vicious even for him, but I think they're worth having. True, Cahuzac struggled with the difficulties in the Nielsen, but he also brought a unique lyricism.
Ken Shaw
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Author: Garth Libre
Date: 2013-12-18 02:22
I didn't hear the squeak, but I did notice he has an awesome musical style.
Garth, 305-981-4705. garthlibre@yahoo.com
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Author: donald
Date: 2013-12-18 03:32
I have that early Cahuzac Neilsen (in fact, it was the first time that concerto was recorded if i remember correctly) and one thing that really strikes me about that recording is that the orchestra has been well rehearsed and shows some fine musical detail often neglected in more reccent performances and recordings.
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Author: seabreeze
Date: 2013-12-18 04:16
Louis Cahuzac is at his best in a 1956 recording of the Paul Hindemith Clarinet Concerto with the composer conducting the Philharmonia Orchestra. Cahuzac, then 76 years old, gracefully displays what Robert Marcellus admiringly called the "luminescence" of his tone. And, I don't believe he even squeaks once. This was before "fat barrels," and brilliantly centered tones with resonant sonority were still many players' ideal. (Although other equally French players like Gaston Hamelin got a rounder, more covered, floating sort of tone.)
Cahuzac certainly had the technique to take a faster tempo in the Rondo section of the concerto if he had wanted to. He railed against the tendency to turn this last movement into gallop or a race. In an old issue of James Collis's magazine, The Clarinet, Cahuzac craftily quoted directly from journals and letters of Mozart to argue that the concerto should be played at a sprightly but not fast pace.
For a really rambunctious squeak, listen to Benny Goodman play the opening solo to Gershwin's Rhapsody in Blue with Toscanini conducting. This embarrassing moment might have ended a fainter heart's career, but Goodman just went right on playing and playing for decades more, occasional squeaks and all.
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Author: rmk54
Date: 2013-12-18 12:19
Cahuzac certainly had the technique to take a faster tempo in the Rondo section of the concerto if he had wanted to. He railed against the tendency to turn this last movement into gallop or a race.
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Also, remember that the composer was conducting!
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Author: William
Date: 2013-12-18 14:52
I carry a little rubber mouse in my clarinet case to pull out and dangle by it's tail in the event of an errant and most untimely squeak. We all squeak--get over it. BTW, anyone who might have listened to the Frost "Dollhouse" video post a few days ago, did he suffer a slight squeak toward the ending of his performance? I thought I heard one, but it did not distract in any way from his great performance, just wondering if I heard correctly........ I guess, to paraphrase, "Squeek Happens"
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Author: afmdoclaw
Date: 2013-12-18 15:19
Funny stuff-- lol
Great idea for a bumper sticker--- picture of a clarinet with the words "SQUEAKS HAPPEN"
Several kind of squeaks
1. reed ones - warped read or tip rail table mouthpiece issues;
2. tone hole leak squeaks
3. Throat mind pseudo-squeaks on the harmonic overtones for the fingering.
Think Eddies was a number 3
He is one great musician and a nice guy too.
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Author: bmcgar ★2017
Date: 2013-12-18 15:26
Not too long ago nobody would care. But now, with highly-engineered and highly edited multiple-take recordings, we expect to be able to play as flawlessly as what we think are the actual performances on CDs.
[There's a syntax problem there somewhere, but I'm too lazy to fix it.]
B.
Post Edited (2013-12-18 19:59)
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Author: seabreeze
Date: 2013-12-18 15:54
Sorry rmk54. when I said Cahuzac had the technique to play the rondo faster, I was referring to the Mozart concerto, not the Hindemith. Ken Shaw had remarked that Cahuzac took the last movement of the Mozart at a "snails pace." I only wish on that record that the composer could have been conducting! I wonder if he would have insisted that Cahuzac play a basset clarinet?
On the Hindemith concerto recording, the composer is conducting,and the tempos are presumably just what he wanted--no snails crawling there. Hindemith chose Cahuzac especially for the recording, and it is a performance every clarinetist should hear.
Over 50 years ago, when I was beginning to learn to play the clarinet, the first classical clarinetists I heard were Cahuzac on the Hindemith and Leopold Wlach on the Brahms Quintet and the Brahms Trio. Unlike Reginald Kell, both these players used no vibrato and had a fairly strict approach to meter and rhythm. But what a difference in tone! Both sounds have remained in my head--Cahuzac's vibrant French sonority and Wlach's weighty, mellow, covered Viennese sound. They gave me an indelible lesson that there cannot be just one right way for the clarinet to sound.
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Author: MSK
Date: 2013-12-18 16:29
I'm a skilled enough amateur that it is rare for me sqeak, but I have had the occasional mortifying incident where the squeak happened. In public. I was so ashamed... Makes me feel better to know it can happen even to the stars.
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Author: kdk
Date: 2013-12-18 17:01
I tried last night and again this afternoon to order the Cahuzac CD from the Danacord website. I keep getting an Integrity Test Failed error - I don't know if it's my integrity or theirs that's triggering it or even where along the chain the error message is being generated.
Has anyone else had trouble at this website? Is the recording available anywhere else? Admittedly, I haven't myself looked for another source - that's my next step unless someone saves me the effort.
Karl
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Author: kdk
Date: 2013-12-18 17:13
Found my answer easily - lots of other music outlets carry it. The first three I came up with - Amazon and a place called Allmusic have the album available as an MP3 download, or if you want the CD for higher quality audio, Barnes & Noble sells it. There are probably others.
Karl
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Author: Dick
Date: 2013-12-18 18:23
I have a recording from the mid 60's with a horrendous trumpet "squeak" where the 1st trumpet hits a "note" way above the designated note. I have always been surprised it was not edited out. (Philadelphia Orchestra).
Dick
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Author: John J. Moses
Date: 2013-12-18 20:54
Hi All:
Good news!
LEGERE Signature Series reeds do not squeak (well hardly ever)!!!
JJM
Légère Artist
Clark W. Fobes Artist
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Author: clarnibass
Date: 2013-12-19 05:12
Here is a solution that guarantees 100% you will never squeak: Don't play.
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Author: afmdoclaw
Date: 2013-12-19 07:24
I use a Fibracell bass clarinet when I have to play the bass clarinet "cold" -- i.e., doubling just to prevent a warped partially wet/dry reed from a squeak. Never have played a Legere reed I liked but of course many good players like them.
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Author: Lelia Loban ★2017
Date: 2013-12-19 19:35
None of em squeaks nearly enough if ya ask me.
Dick Vigorous
Yeah, I'm a rat. Ya shouldn't hate rats, nah. We're yer biggest fans. More squeaks!
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Author: donald
Date: 2013-12-20 00:14
Many years ago i let out a squeak in one of the exposed bits in Capriccio Espangol, I was playing 2nd with a professional symphony and it was being broadcast live on Concert FM (the Radio NZ classical station). This sqeak was so loud if was noticeable to a friend in the foyer waiting to be admitted to the hall...
What was embarrassing was that this concert was later re-broadcast, and repeated about once a year for quite a few years following. Every time it was played at least one friend or enemy would contact me to say they'd heard my squeak! (this was in the time before the internet/SMS and so this often one of those old fashioned letter things that no one writes anymore).
In my professional performing over the last decade I have squeaked maybe once in performance (many of which have been recorded and broadcast) but this one haunts me still.... thank god concert FM haven't played that concert in a while, i thinks it's well and truly archived now.
dn
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