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Author: Jo
Date: 2001-04-01 17:35
Hello I use a Vandoren 5RVlyre mouthpiece, and I have always heard about Vandoren Black master and White master reeds. So here is my problem. I have been told that those reeds only work with german mouthpieces is this true? and if not should I try out these reeds?
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Author: jan
Date: 2001-04-01 17:42
i also use a vandoren 5rvlyre mp. i tried the white master not realizing they were "different"...the bottoms are narrow. they didnt work well at all for me.
jan
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Author: Jo
Date: 2001-04-01 17:57
In addition to reading old topics on this board I have found out that white master reeds are to norrow for french mouthpieces but the black masters are fine and that they are a little shorter. Now here comes another question: I use V12#3.5 and traditional #3.5. So if I try the black master reeds what size reed should I try since the black masters are harder than the traditional or the V12's
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Author: Aaron
Date: 2001-04-01 18:58
I have never played the white master reeds. However I have played and still use the black master reeds. I used the black master reeds on my Bb for a little while thinking they were an improvment. However i realized that their cut wasn't fitting correctly with the acoustic needs for the French mouthpiece style. The reed didn't seem to vibrate just right. Sort of like using a tenor sax reed on the bass clarinet. It just dosen't vibrate correctly. However, the Blackmaster, and possibly the white master reeds, work wonderfully on Eb clarient mouthpieces. I know many professionals that use the Black masters for the Eb. You still need to cut a little off the end of the reed to make it fit on the table of the mouthpiece, but the width is perfect. I am going to try the white master reeds for the Eb, it's something i havent tried as of yet. However strength wise, the balck master reeds are graded stronger in comparison to the samnumber strength of V12's, about one half to one whole strength heavier. For instance, I play a 4 in the V12, and in the Black masters a 3 to 3.5 strength.
hope this is some more helpful info
Aaron
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Author: Pat
Date: 2001-04-02 05:43
I actually have for a while used black masters on and off with my b-flat clarinet. My opinion is the sound is great but there is the little difference in the cut. I found I have to be careful when breaking them in. I don't use them at the moment. The bad part about using black masters on a french mouthpiece is that they squeek. All i can say is give it a whirl for the fun of it.
pat
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Author: ken
Date: 2001-04-02 10:21
The Black Master reeds are for German Clarinets while the larger White Master reeds are for the Austrian Clarinet. I have the black master reeds. Compared to the normal french reeds, the black master reeds are much smaller and I don't think they will fit into the french mouthpiece. Perhaps the White Master reeds will fit for the French Mouthpiece. It is preferred to use Black Master reeds with German mouthpieces, IMO, their much easier to tongue compared to the larger French mouthpieces
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Author: MIndy
Date: 2001-04-02 12:57
HI,
I use a K10M mouthpiece for my Bb clarinet and I use the Black Master reeds. They are very good. I have to put my ligature in a different spot then what it should be in. What I do is put the top of the ligature just below the line on the reed. Sometimes the reeds just dont work for some people nad some ligatures so you just have to try and if they don't work then try a different kind of reed if you don't want to try a new mouthpiece. I hope this help a little I really like the Black Master reeds but that doesn't mean you have to.
Mindy
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Author: Ken Shaw
Date: 2001-04-05 00:07
Vandoren White Master reeds are too small for French style Bb mouthpieces. However, I've found that Black Master reeds have a nearly ideal shape. They're slightly narrower than the Vandoren French style reeds, but only by a hairs-breadth. This is actually an advantage, since the reed should be very slightly narrower than the lay -- about the width of a sharp pencil line. This lets you move the reed from side to side (by microscopic amounts) to find the one spot that really responds.
You should at least give them a try.
Best regards.
Ken Shaw
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Author: Sara
Date: 2001-04-07 03:44
What the difference between a french mouthpiece and my greg smith kasper. I don't understand how a mouthpiece can have size diffeerences.
Sara
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Author: Dee
Date: 2001-04-07 04:07
Sara wrote:
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> What the difference between a french mouthpiece and my
> greg smith kasper. I don't understand how a mouthpiece can have
> size diffeerences.
> Sara
Basically there are two categories of mouthpieces regardless of brand, model, or who makes them.
1) "French" and these are used on Boehm instruments. A Greg Smith Kaspar would fall into this category. Some styles are referred to, I think, as "American" but this would be a variant of "French."
2) "German" and these are used on Oehler system instruments. You would almost never see these in the US.
Note one must be careful when examining the past. Albert system clarinets (ancestors of the Oehler) that were produced for the US market were designed to use a "French" mouthpiece. Those for Germany, etc were designed to use the "German" mouthpiece.
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