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Author: MGT91123
Date: 2013-11-14 19:39
Anyone try one? Read up on him from the BB Board already, and asking my instructor later today. I know some opinions are controversial, and if you play one now, mind telling me what size and why you like it? $35 is not bad, in my opinion, good for Orchestra or Jazz band or both? As this is most likely what I'll use it for, and I feel I need a ore mellow sound in Orchestra anyway. I'm used a 5RV Lyre, if that helps determine size.
Buffet E-11
Buffet Moening Barrel, 65 mm, Backun Protege 65mm
Vadoren BD5 Mouthpiece
Vandoren M/O series gold Lig.
Gonzala's FOF Reeds 2.5
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Author: kdk ★2017
Date: 2013-11-15 03:25
The Gigliotti Advantage is a mouthpiece that's marketed to the entry level student or one very near to that level. I don't think Gigliotti had anything to do with its design or development except to the extent that his second wife, who has run the Gigliotti merchandising enterprise since his death, *may* have based its dimensions on the original line of better quality mouthpieces that he did participate in developing. Those are worth at least considering, though they're not everyone's cup of tea. I'd say that if you're interested in a Gigliotti mouthpiece and are willing to pay for it, you should try the real thing. It's a different situation from a Fobes student mouthpiece, which is still produced by Clark Fobes and for which he still takes responsibility.
The Advantage is better than a Goldentone or a Graftonite, but it isn't as high a quality mouthpiece as the 5RV or as carefully designed as any of the Fobes line.
You have asked now about several mouthpieces. I'm not sure why, but you've neglected - resisted? - explaining what you're looking for that's different from your 5RV. As I remember, you described jaw pain which may have been aggravated if not started by a switch to a B45, but you've never explained why the 5RV you're using as its fallback isn't what you're looking for. With all respect, if we knew what you're looking for in playing qualities, or at least what you're trying to correct in those of the 5RV, someone might be able to make a useful suggestion, although it really always comes down to your own reaction based on trying mouthpieces out yourself.
Karl
Post Edited (2013-11-15 05:58)
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Author: rtmyth
Date: 2013-11-15 13:10
Fobes Debut, but try several, first checking all dimensions you can.
richard smith
Post Edited (2013-11-15 13:10)
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Author: MGT91123
Date: 2013-11-15 22:26
To answer you question, here's why I want to try something.
Sitting in Orchestra last week, the director told me to 'quiet my sound' since I figured I was doing pretty good at the time, I do't see why he would say this. I did try, believe me. But I could't. Considering, too, that there is only one other clarinetist there. I do like the 5RV, in fact, it's the bet I've tried, and I want a more mellow tone quality, but that's all I really thought about. I am going to try a change in ligature though, so maybe that will help. Plus I want to see what's out there and am always striving to improve my playing, in whatever way possible.
Buffet E-11
Buffet Moening Barrel, 65 mm, Backun Protege 65mm
Vadoren BD5 Mouthpiece
Vandoren M/O series gold Lig.
Gonzala's FOF Reeds 2.5
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Author: kdk ★2017
Date: 2013-11-16 03:38
MGT91123 wrote:
> ...the director told me to 'quiet
> my sound' since I figured I was doing pretty good at the time,
> I do't see why he would say this. I did try, believe me. But I
> couldn't.
Not being able to hear you, of course, it's hard to know what the director really wanted. Was it just a problem of your being generally too loud, or was it a specific place in the music that needed to be softer than you could play comfortably?
> I do like the 5RV, in fact, it's the best
> I've tried, and I want a more mellow tone quality, but that's
> all I really thought about. I am going to try a change in
> ligature though, so maybe that will help.
I don't think a ligature will make a big difference in your basic tone quality or your dynamic range. But it's possible that a cloth ligature like a Rovner will take a little edge off your sound, if that's any part of the problem. My experience with the Bonade ligatures is that they tend, compared to Rovners, to be livelier and produce a more colorful sound. But different reeds might also help. I haven't played on LaVoz clarinet reed in a while, but I think you might find that a Vandoren V12 or maybe a Gonzalez FOF or GD may make it easier for you not to stand out as much, if blend is a part of the problem. With a 5RV, I'd expect either a #3 or #3-1/2 V12 or Gonzalez might feel comfortable. Sometimes, if the reed is too soft (which a medium LaVoz *may* be - I haven't played on them recently), it's hard to play softly. A slightly more resistant reed on the 5RV *might* allow you to maintain better control at soft dynamics. But you'd need to try different reeds and see what works for you.
> Plus I want to see
> what's out there and am always striving to improve my playing,
> in whatever way possible.
>
It isn't likely that stepping backward in quality in any of your equipment is going to improve your playing. Given that equipment doesn't make the player - you have to know what to do to make any combination of equipment play well - better equipment (mouthpieces, reeds, instruments - even ligatures) will generally make better playing easier by not interfering. The mouthpieces you've asked about are all of lower quality than the Vandoren you're playing. There are certainly better mouthpieces to try, but they aren't in the Goldentone/Graftonite/Advantage level or even the Debut, which is the best of that group.
Do you have a clarinet teacher? A pair of knowledgeable ears in the room with you could provide a good deal of help in improving your playing. You seem very motivated to improve. A good teacher could make a big difference.
Karl
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