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 My other project - Buffet E11 refurb (PICS!)
Author: escher 
Date:   2013-11-13 16:17

As I said in my other post - I also am working on another project clarinet.

I found this E11 on Ebay the other day and jumped as the price seemed pretty good for a functional horn. ($300)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/111183437979?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649

It played OK out of the box, but was obviously not loved by its previous owner - some dings and rubs. A couple bent / binding keys.

So I decided to tear her down and have a look.

Note - I'm in the process of taking some pics, so bear with me... they will come later..

First to note - if you look at the Ebay ad - the finish makes it look plastic. Its a wood horn, and I now understand why it looks that way.

Buffet paints their E11's... Its not a dye or a stain, but a paint / varnish of some sort. I had always read that they dyed them to get the wood to look consistent, but I didnt think they were painted!

Another hobby of mine is working / refinishing on Les Paul style guitars in my free time, so I'm very familiar with wood refinishing - particularly oiled finishes... so I decided to give it a go on this E11.

I spent about 5 hours with #0000 steel wool removing all the paint from the horn. I then soaked it in Sweet Almond oil.

While it was soaking I addressed the binding keys.. The top two keys in the cluster of four on the lower joint were binding a little... and the screw was nearly impossible to remove.

Well, and I dont know how this happened... maybe one of the guru's here can tell me - but the screw appeared to be stepped in the middle. as if two smaller screws were welded together... there was an obvious step in the very middle, which would not allow the screw to rotate.

Now, this was definitely NOT a bend... it was a defined step... maybe a hard drop caused it, but I don't see how...

Regardless, I chucked the screw in my drill press and sanded the step out for the most part and then polished the screw back up. No more issues.

I hand cleaned / polished all the keys and reassembled. It now plays very nicely! Although I will be doing a full repad soon because some of the bladder pads are torn... I just don't have the cash at the moment.

The finish is beautiful now... like I said - I'll post some pics soon.. But I don't understand why Buffet doesn't just buff the bodies down with something like steel wool or a synthetic steel wool and then oil them. It looks SO much better than that paint / varnish.

The only thing that's not great is all the logos are now gone... but I'm considering looking into having them laser-etched on or something... not sure.. Last time I checked it wasn't that expensive to have done.

The last thing I should mention - if anyone wants to do something similar... is that your posts and tenon rings will get buffed by the steel wool.. I didnt mind as I like that look.. but its not the kind of thing you will want to do IF you want super shiny posts and rings. The steel wool doesnt take the plating off, but you may when / if you try and repolish them - ask me how I know... :)

I'm sure this type of refurb isnt for everyone... but it suits my purpose and I think it improves the look quite a bit... again - sorry for no pics yet, I hope to remedy that this evening.



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 Re: My other project - Buffet E11 refurb
Author: escher 
Date:   2013-11-14 01:13

As promised, Pics!

E11-1 by Christopher Purdy, on Flickr


E11-5 by Christopher Purdy, on Flickr


E11-4 by Christopher Purdy, on Flickr


E11-3 by Christopher Purdy, on Flickr


E11-2 by Christopher Purdy, on Flickr

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 Re: My other project - Buffet E11 refurb (PICS!)
Author: DavidBlumberg 
Date:   2013-11-14 02:25

Great pics!!

http://www.SkypeClarinetLessons.com


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 Re: My other project - Buffet E11 refurb (PICS!)
Author: clarnibass 
Date:   2013-11-14 05:57

I'm curious what was your lighting setup for the photos. Because of the soft shadows I'm guessing either indirect natural light or some kind of relatively big "flash" setup (doesn't really have to be flash).

What is nice though is how the keys are not significantly overexposed in most of the photos while the wood looks very good also. I found this to be a problem many times, even with a camera with very high dynamic range like the one I have. Particularly I'm referring to the last two photos and especially the last one.

If you don't mind a small suggestion (and really it's just a tiny issue) look at the WB. Some of the photos are significantly warmer/colder than others. Not a problem by itself but a little weird in a group of photos showing the clarinet.

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 Re: My other project - Buffet E11 refurb (PICS!)
Author: escher 
Date:   2013-11-14 11:01

Thanks for the comments!

I was trying several different things.

I don't have anything really fancy, and the reason you see some yellow / warmer tones in some versus others is because some of them I desaturated in post. Thats the reason for the difference in WB...

I had a fluorescent indirectly lighting the ceiling, an incandescent directly lighting the front, and my SB28 bouncing off teh ceiling with a diffuser.

I over exposed between 3 and 4 stops depending on the setup... that brought out the wood detail... the indirect / bounced flash kept from blowing out the highlights on the keys.

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 Re: My other project - Buffet E11 refurb (PICS!)
Author: escher 
Date:   2013-11-14 12:21

Here are the pics - all desaturated, so they are nearly B&W... It works well since there is hardly any color in the wood anyway.

I should also mention - I'm colorblind (red-green) so I lean more toward high contrast desaturated photo's anyway since color balance is very difficult for me.

Edit: Looking at them now - I think there is a better balance across all the photos, but I can seem to see some color / warmth I think - so the desaturation in iPhoto must not completely drop them to B&W..



E11-Desat-3 by Christopher Purdy, on Flickr

E11-Desat-4 by Christopher Purdy, on Flickr

E11-Desat-5 by Christopher Purdy, on Flickr
E11-Desat-2 by Christopher Purdy, on Flickr
E11-Desat-6 by Christopher Purdy, on Flickr
E11-Desat-1 by Christopher Purdy, on Flickr



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 Re: My other project - Buffet E11 refurb (PICS!)
Author: clarnibass 
Date:   2013-11-15 07:18

I'm also colourblind :)
Being a colourblind photographer is interesting :)

I use Lightroom for editing photos where there is a WB slide. It has a lot of other options too. You can download a trial I think if you're interested. But I'm not familiar with iPhoto.

I think you got a great balance of the wood exposure while only barely burning the keys, which is main issue when taking photos of clarinets.

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 Re: My other project - Buffet E11 refurb (PICS!)
Author: Chris P 
Date:   2013-11-15 09:42

The natural grain finish on this E11 looks much nicer than the painted finish.

Buffet do indeed stain most of their clarinets with an alcohol based stain (a very deep purple) but Schreiber paint their wooden clarinets and oboes to achieve a uniform finish to the joints, including the E11 which they made for Buffet. Another strange thing Buffet do is give their instruments a scratched finish instead of a highly buffed finish with a deep shine - not sure why, but that's what they do.

Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010

The opinions I express are my own.

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 Re: My other project - Buffet E11 refurb (PICS!)
Author: BobD 
Date:   2013-11-15 22:34

Exquisite photos........thanks........

Bob Draznik

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 Re: My other project - Buffet E11 refurb (PICS!)
Author: escher 
Date:   2013-11-15 23:01

Thanks Bob - I appreciate the kudos - its nice to know they aren't only good in my minds eye, but they are appealing to others as well..

Chris - Thank you for the additional info on the Schreiber v.s. Buffet finish - I had no idea, obviously!

clarnibass - I've played with lightroom a bit, but only had a trial copy and didn't have the cash to buy the full version, so I never got that into it.. It does have a lot more options from what I did see.

I also have some HDR software that I will pull the pics into and see what they look like - that has an amazing ability to pull detail from underexposed pics.

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 Re: My other project - Buffet E11 refurb (PICS!)
Author: escher 
Date:   2013-11-15 23:38

Ok.. Here are three of the pics further processed in Photomatix Pro HDR software... it really gets them to POP! It has some very cool micro-smoothing functions you can apply to the shadow areas and I also sharpened a bit.. Desaturated everything now and optimized the contrast as well..

Its subtle at a glance, but side by side you can see a lot of difference.

Sorry to take this so far down the photographic path, but I'm having fun!


clarinet-raw4_tonemapped by Christopher Purdy, on Flickr

clarinet-raw1_tonemapped by Christopher Purdy, on Flickr

E11-Desat-5_tonemapped by Christopher Purdy, on Flickr



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