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Author: MGT91123
Date: 2013-11-11 15:33
Anyone tried this one? If so, what are your thoughts? Compared to the 5RV Lyre, if possible, because it's what I'm using now. Also, what does #3 facing mean?
Buffet E-11
Buffet Moening Barrel, 65 mm, Backun Protege 65mm
Vadoren BD5 Mouthpiece
Vandoren M/O series gold Lig.
Gonzala's FOF Reeds 2.5
Post Edited (2013-11-11 15:38)
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Author: kdk ★2017
Date: 2013-11-11 16:29
As far as I've ever experienced them, Goldentones are (or were) Selmer's entry level original equipment mouthpiece that they packed with their student instruments. They're the kind of mouthpieces people practice on who are learning to do refacing work. Approximately equivalent to a Yamaha 4C (though I know some here on the bboard like those).
I don't know what a #3 facing is on a Goldentone, but a Vandoren (whatever the facing) should be a better mouthpiece.
If your jaw pain is driving you to look for an easier facing to play on than the 5RVL or the B45 you mentioned in your other post, you could certainly try a Vandoren M13 or M13 Lyre or even an M15. They are all closer-tipped than either the 5RV Lyre or the B45 (M13 and M15 also have longer curves) and might allow you to ease up on the pressure you're using. (Although it's still hard for me to visualize using so much pressure that it actually causes pain in the jaw - I think my lower lip would be seriously damaged before that happened - unless you're aggravating some other underlying problem in your jaw or tooth structures where the pain is).
Karl
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Author: Lelia Loban ★2017
Date: 2013-11-11 17:29
I've acquired Goldentones with several used / vintage clarinets. I'm an advanced amateur. I haven't liked any of the Goldentones. A lot of them are a bit sloppily-made, with uneven rails and that sort of thing. If you need a mouthpiece for a beginner, imho the reasonably priced Hite Premiere and Fobes Debut are better quality -- and a lot of adults like those, too. They're good open-faced mouthpieces. For jazz, I use a Hite on an old Selmer Signet Special clarinet.
No. 3 facing is average on a Goldentone, and is more open than average facings on other brands. Open vs. closed facing refers to the amount of gap between the tip of the reed and the tip of the mouthpiece. Generally beginners with undeveloped embouchures need an open facing. An open facing is also useful for jazz and pop players (the more open the facing, the easier it is to bend the pitch) while classical players will tend to go for a somewhat more closed facing. Many a student gets the mistaken impression that it's a sign of maturity to slap a number 5 reed on an extremely closed mouthpiece -- then bite like a crocodile, blow like the Big Bad Wolf and squeak like a rat. The real sign of maturity is to find an individual comfort zone.
Lelia
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Author: David Spiegelthal ★2017
Date: 2013-11-11 20:12
I suspect tens of thousands of clarinetists have 'tried' the Goldentone mouthpiece. I doubt any player has stuck with one past the first year of playing clarinet. There is good reason for that. Although it is far better than the Rico Graftonite being discussed in another thread 
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Author: Tony F
Date: 2013-11-11 20:45
Lelia wrote "Many a student gets the mistaken impression that it's a sign of maturity to slap a number 5 reed on an extremely closed mouthpiece -- then bite like a crocodile, blow like the Big Bad Wolf and squeak like a rat."
I love this description, I'm going to use it if I may?
Tony F.
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Author: Tony F
Date: 2013-11-11 20:50
I've only ever met one player who liked the Goldentone 3 enough to stay with it. He had a pulmonary problem and couldn't produce a lot of wind, so he played it with specially ordered No 1 reeds. They are very inconsistent in quality, You'll do better with the Fobes Debut or the Hite Premier for not much more.
Tony F.
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Author: kdk ★2017
Date: 2013-11-12 02:32
Or just stay with the 5RV Lyre and figure out out what reeds play best on it.
Karl
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Author: Lelia Loban ★2017
Date: 2013-11-12 12:01
Tony F. wrote,
>I love this description, I'm going to use it if I may? >
Fine by me! I don't think I'm the only one who's used those expressions here and I'm not one of those people who tries to copyright the word "the" --!
Karl wrote,
>>Or just stay with the 5RV Lyre and figure out out what reeds play best on it.>>
Yeah, figuring out which reeds go with which mouthpieces becomes one of those obsessional endeavors. Hence that old joke:
Q. How many clarinet players does it take to screw in a lightbulb?
A. Only one, but s/he will have to sort through fifty boxes to find exactly the right bulb.
And (sorry!) you've probably all heard that joke fifty times ....
Lelia
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Author: Ken Shaw ★2017
Date: 2013-11-12 12:44
Lelia -
Do you mean "slap a number 5 reed on an extremely OPEN mouthpiece"?
Ken Shaw
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