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Author: HANGARDUDE
Date: 2013-09-10 05:10
I have been interested in getting a Reform Boehm clarinet at an economical price. Has anyone ever tried the Dietz Hybrid Boehm clarinets? How do they sound and would you recommend them?
Josh
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Author: ruben
Date: 2013-09-10 07:10
I would also like to know what people think of Dietz clarinets. I haven't tried one, but I looked at them closely at the ClarinetFest in Assisi and found them to be very, very well made. It's a tiny father and son concern and they seem to make everything in what looks like their garage. I like that idea. Father and son are both dynamic and charming. I'm looking forward to trying one of these instruments out. Does one have to use a German mouthpiece? If this is the case, this would unfortunately rule the instrument out for me, because I can't get used to a German mouthpiece-I've tried.
rubengreenbergparisfrance@gmail.com
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Author: Fraeulein Klarinette
Date: 2013-09-10 09:39
I have only tried a couple and they play wonderfully - excellent sound and superb craftmanship (and very nice people as well). Dietz, like Hyueng and Leitner & Kraus, used to work at (and presumably top-star makers) Herbert Wurlitzer when Herbert was still there. And you can actually feel / see that from their instruments; they look and sound like Wurlitzer but all has their own characters. That being said, they are not much cheaper / "economical". You may try Thomas Reichle in Die Holzblaeser Berlin, he keeps a good selection of 2nd instruments.
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Author: ruben
Date: 2013-09-10 14:45
It would imply that, meaning very cylindrical and only flaring out at the bottom of the lower joint getting close to the bell. That said, the diameter of German bores varies greatly; more than that of modern-day French instruments, I would say.
rubengreenbergparisfrance@gmail.com
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Author: HANGARDUDE
Date: 2013-09-12 05:25
Ruben,
A German mouthpiece is most desired, but a specially designed barrel for French mouthpieces is also possible. I recommend the Wurlitzer WZ3, for it uses V12s instead of German reeds.
Probably I'm the wrong person to give opinions, as I'm a bit tired of the French sound.
Josh
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Author: ruben
Date: 2013-09-12 06:35
I think when, for instance, a Lomax or Fobes mouthpiece is used on a Boehm-Reformed clarinet, it retains its German sound. I like the German sound, which can be very sweet and round and blends very well, but I feel that French clarinets
have a greater range of colour and are more flexible. Ideally, one would have one of each, but who has that kind of money. I'm eager to try out the Dietz clarinet, though.
rubengreenbergparisfrance@gmail.com
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Author: MichaelW
Date: 2013-09-12 14:18
Dietz offers „Böhm- Mundstücke für deutsche und Böhmklarinetten“. In his catalogue (http://www.dietz-klarinetten.de/mundstuecke.html ), the differences between his Böhm, Reform Böhm and hybrid models are explained, though in German only. If somebody here in the forum was interested and Herr Dietz had no objections I would try an (amateurish) translation. I play a Dietz Studentenmodell from 1988- that’s from the beginning of his own workshop-, and am perfectly satisfied with it- also my teacher, who- like most professionals over here- plays Wurlitzer.
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Author: Ken Shaw ★2017
Date: 2013-09-12 18:24
Google Translate (with my minor corrections, says):
"Our Hybrid clarinet is a combination of French and Reform Boehm clarinet; the aim was to build a less complicated Reform Boehm clarinet. By simplifying the key mechanism and modifying the bore, however, a new clarinet, our hybrid, was born. Our hybrid clarinet offers an easy response, which is very similar to that of the French Boehm clarinet, and the warm and sonorous tone familiar from the Reform Boehm clarinet. Thus our hybrid clarinet creates a missing link between these two types of clarinet, and is also a refreshing new alternative on the Boehm clarinet market. But it's best to let us provide you a taste of this new clarinet when you come for your next visit to our workshop."
Ken Shaw
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Author: HANGARDUDE
Date: 2013-09-16 05:24
Ruben, I understand you have a hard time getting used to a German mouthpiece,and I was told by Dr. Charles Stier, the US agent of Wurlitzer, that German mouthpieces have a different embrochure. Instead of the flat lips that you use on the Vandorens, you should shape your lips rounder(but not pointing it out too much) on German mouthpieces. And also remember to feel more natural. However, this does not always work on French clarinets.
The Dietz Hybrid Boehm is more economical than most Reform Boehms out there. A bit more expensive than a R13 maybe, but it should be worth to buy I think.
And my mouthpiece will the Wurlitzer WZ3, as it is the best hybrid mouthpiece out there. A German bore with a Boehm facing makes things considerably easier for a German instrument.
Josh
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Author: Jeroen
Date: 2013-09-16 09:36
Hi Joshua,
Keep us informed with your experience with these very interesting clarinets.
I don't like the 3WZ btw. Why do you think the 3WZ is the best hybrid mpc?
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Author: ruben
Date: 2013-09-17 13:47
Joshua,
I agree that a German mouthpiece requires a different embouchure. I play double-lip, which, I feel, makes it easier to adjust. One thing that nobody told me and that I had to figure out for myself is that you have to take in more mouthpiece; swallow more of it. I like the German clarinet and reformed Boehm, but can't say as I care for the German mouthpiece. I look forward to making the journey to Germany to try out Dietz clarinets. The noisy environment of the ClarinetFest isn't the best place to try out anything, nor are trade fairs.
rubengreenbergparisfrance@gmail.com
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Author: Lu Dietz
Date: 2013-11-03 16:35
Hi alltogether,
I (the Dietz son) just read your discussion about our Hybrid clarinet with much interest and I am happy to hear that our visit on the ClarinetFest in Assisi attracted some attention about our clarinets and that the people who took the opportunity to have a look and try out our clarinets liked them.
Regarding the mouthpiece the Hybrid clarinet can be played with Boehm mouthpieces as well as with German mouthpieces. Of course the barrel has to fit, but it can be made for both types. I would say this is just a matter of taste and habituation.
You are all invited to visit our workshop (by the way the workshop is on the top of the garages and just in a small part of the garages:) in Neustadt an der Aisch. Please feel free to contact me and my father by mail for further questions.
Ludwig Dietz
clarinet maker
www.dietz-klarinetten.de; info@dietz-klarinetten.de
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Author: Lu Dietz
Date: 2013-11-03 16:36
Hi alltogether,
I (the Dietz son) just read your discussion about our Hybrid clarinet with much interest and I am happy to hear that our visit on the ClarinetFest in Assisi attracted some attention about our clarinets and that the people who took the opportunity to have a look and try out our clarinets liked them.
Regarding the mouthpiece the Hybrid clarinet can be played with Boehm mouthpieces as well as with German mouthpieces. Of course the barrel has to fit, but it can be made for both types. I would say this is just a matter of taste and habituation.
You are all invited to visit our workshop (by the way the workshop is on the top of the garages and just in a small part of the garages:) in Neustadt an der Aisch. Please feel free to contact me and my father by mail (info@dietz-klarinetten.de) for further questions.
Ludwig Dietz
clarinet maker
www.dietz-klarinetten.de; info@dietz-klarinetten.de
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Author: HANGARDUDE
Date: 2013-11-04 16:22
Jeroen,
At that time people convinced me that the WZ3 is the best. But more recently I was informed of Nick Kuckmeier's German B2 is a even greater choice. I'm considering ordering that too.
Josh
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Author: Fraeulein Klarinette
Date: 2013-11-04 19:16
Perhaps slightly off topic: Nick PlayEasy B2 is made for plastic Boehm Legere reeds. I have quite a few different mouthpieces from Nick (German and Austrian models) and they are all marvelous. PlayEasy system works wonderfully and is very useful for the extremely humid climate in Hong Kong. Question is with tuning - my experience is that they tend to play a bit higher and they did tell me that their mouthpieces are tuned to 443Hz. Maybe another variable for you if you want to play at 440Hz....
By the way, it's interesting to note that Nick produces the mouthpieces himself rather than refacing rail on blanks, as most German mouthpiece makers do.
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Author: HANGARDUDE
Date: 2013-11-06 04:20
And I'd like to thank Herr Dietz himself for joining in this conversation.
Frau Klar: Now you got me there! I didn't realize that before. I'll have to reinquire both the 3WZ and B2.
So back to the topic. All I can say that I hope one day the more makers, especially German clarinet makers, can come to HK or Sydney(the city I'm moving to in 2016) to let us try their instruments. We are a bit bored with only Yamahas and Buffets(yep, no Selmers in HK) around.
Josh
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