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Author: Melsmusic
Date: 2013-11-01 13:28
Hi,
I have an early F.A. Uebel clarinet, this is an Oehler system and has a four digit serial number, 9**7, I have had a good look on the web and cannot find anything relative to dating it, could anyone please advise if they have any idea?
Post Edited (2013-11-01 14:01)
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Author: MichaelW
Date: 2013-11-01 15:39
http://www.museum-markneukirchen.de/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=652&hilit=uebel+klarinette
http://test.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/read.html?f=1&i=367329&t=355703
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Author: Hansdenijs
Date: 2013-11-04 08:21
Good morning,
Based on your information about the serialnumber range 9000-10000 9000 and the photos, your Original F.A. Uebel clarinet is built in the period 1940 - 1944, without low E improvement (introduced in 1941) but with the Stöhr variant of the Oehler mechanic on the lower joint.
Be proud on this nice instrument which can be played with the original barrel(s) on a'=440 Hz.
Greeting from Holland,
Hans
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Author: Hansdenijs
Date: 2013-11-04 08:24
Good morning,
Based on your information about the serialnumber range 9000-10000 and the photos, your original F.A. Uebel clarinet is built in the period 1940 - 1944, without low E improvement (introduced in 1941), but with the Stöhr variant of the Oehler mechanic on the lower joint as can be seen by the design of the keywork.
Be proud on this nice instrument which can be played with the original barrel(s) on a'=440 Hz.
Greeting from Holland,
Hans
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Author: Melsmusic
Date: 2013-11-05 19:27
Thank you very much Hans and I am, next week it is going to be completely overhauled so shall be really excited for when it is ready to come home again.
Melissa
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Author: Tony F
Date: 2014-03-07 22:26
I'm interested to see that it has the extended trill key. Until now I've only seen these on Boosey and Hawkes instruments.
Tony F.
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2014-03-08 03:30
German and Oehler systems all have the long side Eb/Bb touch fitted as standard - chances are that was the inspiration behind the one fitted to B&H clarinets.
This Uebel also has the clutch to disengage the patent C# linkage.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: Ken Shaw ★2017
Date: 2014-03-08 04:02
What is "the Stöhr variant of the Oehler mechanic on the lower joint"?
Ken Shaw
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Author: donald
Date: 2014-03-08 06:00
Very nice!
I emailed Uebel a year or so back with help dating a 1970s/80s clarinet and they were very helpful, if you want an exact year of manufacture they may be able to help (though I had to wait a week or two)
dn
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Author: Tony F
Date: 2014-03-08 03:35
" German and Oehler systems all have the long side Eb/Bb touch fitted as standard - chances are that was the inspiration behind the one fitted to B&H clarinets. "
Thanks for that, Chris. German/Oehler are not that thick on the ground here in Oz, in fact I've only seen one in regular use, although I've no doubt that there are lots more.
Tony F.
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Author: Clarineteer
Date: 2014-03-08 11:05
I have a friend that is a flute expert and he says Uebel made world class flutes but their clarinets were just OK.
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2014-03-08 17:07
Well, he is a flute expert so that goes without saying.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: MichaelW
Date: 2014-03-08 22:37
Congratulations. I am also very happy with my newly overhauled F.A Uebel Bb-Oehlers. I find it interesting that my #8642 from 1936 (according to Hans de Nijs), without low E improvement, still doesn’t have the switchable C# linkage while #17196 from 1962 has both, but no F- improvement.
The FAUe clarinets until the time of the demise of F.A.Uebel about 1962 and the “nationalization” of the workshop some time later are in very high esteem. He was one of the most prominent collaborators of Oskar Oehler. The instruments indeed are outstandingly elegant. Thomas Reil and Enrico Weller in their Oehler monography even see that as a somewhat extreme development: not unfrequently keys had to be resoldered.
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Author: seabreeze
Date: 2014-03-08 23:36
Which mouthpieces are you using with the Uebels? Originals or more recent vintage? Wood, rubber, rubber with metal inlay, acrylic, glass? Traditional long, close facings, or something else?
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Author: Hansdenijs
Date: 2014-03-08 19:12
Dear Michael,
I would like to give you a small correction on your e-mail about your Uebel clarinet with serialnumber #8642. Based on the serialnumber it is to be expected that your clarinet has been built in the period 1940 - 1941, just before the introduction of the Low E-improvement by F.A. Uebel around 1941 for his soloist models. A confirmation can be made after seeing good photographs of the keywork of your clarinet.
best regards,
Hans
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Author: Hansdenijs
Date: 2014-03-09 00:28
Attachment: Oehler system lower joint variants.jpg (343k)
Somebody in this thread asks for information about the Stöhr system, which is an older variant in the Oehler system development on the lower joint. Attached is a summary of the different variants as seen in the Oehler system clarinet in the 20th century, unfortunately in Dutch, but the illustrations are hopefully interesting and give some insight.
Greeting from Holland,
Hans de Nijs
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Author: MichaelW
Date: 2014-03-09 13:42
Attachment: 8642.jpg (308k)
Attachment: Detail.jpg (203k)
Dear Hans, sorry if I have cited you incorrectly. You had, two years ago in this forum, helped me with the building date of FAUe #17196. I think my estimate of the age of #8642 originated in Enrico Weller’s posting in the Markneukirchen forum from 2008 about Uebel serial numbers: “1.Phase 1936-1963..Seriennummern von ca. 7000 od. 8000 bis ca. 17800...”. Two fotos of #8642 are attached.
Best regards Michael
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