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Author: AAAClarinet
Date: 2013-10-11 06:09
To all the doublers. have any of you tried string lig on sax (alto). just wondering if you experienced the same benefits as on clarinet. I will try it for myself but don't yet have the sax. thanks for any replies.
AAAClarinet
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Author: jdbassplayer
Date: 2013-10-11 16:22
I tried a string ligature and it kept coming loose. I really don't see how a difference in ligature will help you sound better. Its more likely a placebo effect where if you think you will sound better, then you will sound better. Just my opinion though. The only advantage that I find is that they are incredibly cheap.
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Author: Arnoldstang
Date: 2013-10-11 23:30
It might be great......but look at the numbers out there. Basically there is no one using it. I'm sure many people have tried it briefly but no cigar. All that being said, give it a try. Do some German sax mouthpieces have the grooves for string?
Freelance woodwind performer
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Author: Paul Aviles
Date: 2013-10-12 14:15
These folks have no problem with string on sax mouthpieces.
https://www.facebook.com/VientosBambuEnColombia
I find myself using this ligature a majority of the time on clarinet because I enjoy the "placebo affect."
:-)
...................Paul Aviles
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Author: TAS
Date: 2013-10-13 01:19
Too time consuming. No unique results, IMO.
Use the string for floss...:)
TAS
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Author: David Spiegelthal ★2017
Date: 2013-10-14 01:47
Typical BB thread starter:
"Anybody here use flmtcrtehps on their instrument? Joe Blow uses one and he sounds great!"
My counter-argument:
"Well, it's true that Joe sounds great using his flmtcrtehps, but 99% of the other professional players in the world DON'T use flmtcrtehps and they sound great too."
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Author: Paul Aviles
Date: 2013-10-14 03:24
Hey Dave,
I feel a need to take exception with your criticism. The Board allows for a those with some esoteric interests to elaborate on specifics. This can be helpful (to the degree one wants to put faith in opinions of strangers).
It is far to "easy" to just criticize an idea or piece of equipment that is used by a clear minority and it come of as a bit brutish. I'm sure you don't mean to be overtly dismissive simply because you don't utilize it. It would be much simpler and kinder to just ignore the particular topic altogether.
...................Paul Aviles
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Author: David Spiegelthal ★2017
Date: 2013-10-14 15:08
Paul, please don't take my post personally, it was not intended as an attack on your or your specific post by any means. I was just commenting on the logic involved in a very common sort of discussion we have on the BB -- sometimes people get a particular mindset and don't think about the inverse (converse? contrapositive?) of their argument.
Of course the BB is a place to discuss esoteric options and how well they work (or don't work); I was just making the point that one player's success with a particular technique or piece of equipment is no indication of how well it would work for anyone else. So your noting that a group in Colombia uses string ligatures on saxes doesn't mean much (or anything).
Peace!
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Author: Paul Aviles
Date: 2013-10-15 22:16
I don't take anything on the interweb personally. Point being that it DOES mean something to the poor Colombian saxophonists.........albeit a minority.
Of course minorities (in the HOUSE that is) have been getting a lot of attention lately.
:-)
..............Paul Aviles
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Author: Paul Aviles
Date: 2013-10-15 22:17
I don't take anything on the interweb personally. Point being that it DOES mean something to the poor Colombian saxophonists.........albeit a minority.
Of course minorities (in the HOUSE that is) have been getting a lot of attention lately.
:-)
..............Paul Aviles
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Author: Klarnetisto
Date: 2013-10-25 13:54
I think that string on saxophone mouthpieces never really caught on because the sax was invented after the metal ligature, so the latter was an assumed norm right from that instrument's beginnings. Clarinets began with string ligatures, and that tradition has continued unbroken in Germany etc.
My only sax is a wonderful 1914 H. N. White King C soprano, which very fortunately still has its original mouthpiece.
Ever since reading David Pino's book & his recommendation to use a shoestring for a ligature, I've been a convert, as I find it improves timbre, dynamics and response in every way. I first did this with my clarinets, but when I got the sax I used it there with equally improved results.
You'll find that the shoestring (flat, thinner men's dress-shoe type -- and black looks best with most mps!) is the right length and stays on without a lot of trouble. I find that it really doesn't take any longer to put on than a screw-on ligature, and it's faster to take off. Check Pino's book for the details:
http://store.doverpublications.com/0486402703.html
My Maui Xaphoon came with a handsome lacquered brass ligature. But when at my folkdance band's rehearsal I played it with a shoestring lig instead, my colleagues stared in amazement at how much better it sounded. So I really can't agree that the improvement is mere "placebo." And that goes for clarinet, sax, or xaphoon!
Of course, the only real answer is for you to compare string and other ligs side-by-side and decide for yourself. And be sure that you have a really good reed when you try!
Klarnetisto
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