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Author: MGT91123
Date: 2013-10-12 14:29
Hi,
So I was practicing last night, slid my ligature over the reed, tried to tighten it, and the screws are very loose. My fear is that the screws will come out. I'm looking for a replacement. {My instructor said too.} But my question is that I'm curious what to try and what might work. I use a 5RV Lyre and a medium La Voz reed. I thought about a Rico H Ligature, and can't get something pricier. What do you guys use as set up?
MG
Buffet E-11
Buffet Moening Barrel, 65 mm, Backun Protege 65mm
Vadoren BD5 Mouthpiece
Vandoren M/O series gold Lig.
Gonzala's FOF Reeds 2.5
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Author: Ursa
Date: 2013-10-12 15:00
Hi, MG:
If you were happy with the response and timbral quality afforded by the Bonade Inverted ligature, I respectfully suggest getting another Bonade Inverted. Other inexpensive ligatures will respond differently--perhaps very differently--than the Bonade.
You may be able to stabilize the screws somewhat by removing them from the ligature, putting a dollop of cheap white cork grease on the end of the threads, then reinstalling the screws.
One of my favorite setups is a Chedeville-blank Buffet C Crown mouthpiece with a La Voz medium-hard reed, secured in place by a nickel-plated Bonade Inverted ligature. This is not much different than what you're using, and it's a great setup for most styles of playing.
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Author: kdk ★2017
Date: 2013-10-12 15:28
MGT91123 wrote:
> Hi,
> So I was practicing last night, slid my ligature over the reed,
> tried to tighten it, and the screws are very loose. My fear is
> that the screws will come out.
I'm not sure what you mean by this. When you tighten the screws, are they engaging the threads in the eyelets on the other side? Are they pulling the ligature closed? I'm having a hard time visualizing how they are "very loose."
If something in the threads has stripped and the screws are not actually tightening the ligature, I would second Ursa's suggestion that you just get another Bonade Inverted. There are other low to moderately priced ligatures (Rovner Luyben, Gigliotti, a strip of Velcro, string, to name only a very few) and you might actually like one of them better than the Bonade, but that means buying or borrowing examples of each and trying them. If you're willing to go through the process of trial and error, go for it. But the most efficient solution, assuming the Bonade was satisfactory until whatever is happening with the screws started, would be to stay with what has worked for you in the past.
Does your teacher have a suggestion? If so, he or she may have a sample you can test without having to spend money on the trial.
Karl
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Author: Ed Palanker
Date: 2013-10-12 15:34
When anyone asks a question like, what do you think is the best of anything on this or any board you should be prepared for dozens of different opinions. So many players think what they like is the best of everything. There are so many good ligs out there today there is no best. I personnaly like the Rovner ligs but so many others are good too. I would suggest moving up on your reed quality though. Try some of the Rico Grand Concerts, Think Blanks or Reserves, they are all much better that the La Vos which are really not considered a "professional" lever reed. I've never met a pro or conservatory student that used them.
ESP eddiesclarinet.com
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Author: Ken Shaw ★2017
Date: 2013-10-12 18:20
Ligatures are made with relatively soft metal for the screws and relatively hard metal for the tubes they screw into. This is done so that the screw threads strip out (requiring replacement of the screw) rather than the tube (which requires replacement of the entire ligature). Unscrew both screws from your Bonade to find out which ones have the threads worn out. Usually only one is bad.
Usually, screw threads strip only if you're tightening the ligature far too much. Turn the screws up snug but not extremely tight. Then back each screw off 1/4 turn.
Almost any ligature screw will fit the Bonade tube. If you have another, try that. If not, any repair shop (or your instructor) will have a drawer full of dead ligatures from which you can rescue a screw. Almost always, a repair tech will give you one free.
If not, bring your Bonade to a music store and ask to see the cheapest clarinet ligature they have (usually $5 or less). If one of its screws fits the Bonade, buy it and put it, with the one remaining screw, in a shoebox for the next time you need a screw.
Or get a new Bonade for $17.99 http://www.amazon.com/Bonade-2250U-Inverted-Clarinet-Ligature/dp/B0009GZG9K. When you get it, you'll probably need to do some bending to make it fit right. The two vertical rails should lie flat on the bark of the reed. Also, the horizontal bands must not touch the edges of the reed. You'll need two needle-nosed pliers to do this. These operations can be easier if you get the non-inverted ligature.
The cheapest possible metal ligature can also be bent to keep the edges of the reed free. That's what Kalmen Opperman and Richard Stoltzman (and I) do.
String is free. See http://www.woodwind.org/clarinet/Uploads/strnglig.html. The method works well even if your mouthpiece doesn't have the rings on the outside to hold the string. An old round-cross-section shoelace will work perfectly.
Ken Shaw
Ken Shaw
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Author: Vova Doob(UA)
Date: 2013-10-13 10:26
MGT91123, try Rovner versa ligature and Vandoren MIO
http://www.vandoren.fr/Nouveautes%20Vandoren%202013/Ligatures%20MO%20en.pdf
http://www.rovnerproducts.com/products/ligatures/classic/versa-ligature.php
Rovner Versa`ll be cheaper in your local muisc shop.
This ligatures are different but each have it`s own pluses, don`t buy Vandoren optimum ligature for E-11, sound in upper joint in first octave will be poor for overtones.
Also rovner MK-3 ligature will have good sound but it`ll be less powerful and you`ll feel uncomfortable playing in any kind of enesmble.
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