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Author: peergynt
Date: 2013-09-30 06:18
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Hello all,
I am asking about negotiating the difficult display passage heard in the first clarinet entry of the first movement. (Measure 33-35).
I have experimented with using different rhythms, increased air volume etc but if anyone has their own strategy in negotiating this tricky lick then please feel free to share your ideas.
All best,
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Author: Wes
Date: 2013-09-30 07:30
Well, I think of this as being in the key of D minor and the chord with the G at the top is an A7 chord with a flatted ninth, a favorite chord. Good luck!
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Author: sonicbang
Date: 2013-09-30 13:55
Assuming you have a good reed (which doesn't bend to the mouthpiece therefore obstructing the volume of air needed for this slur) I can see two source of problem. 1. biting the mouthpiece 2. the finger motion is not syncronized.
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Author: Ken Shaw ★2017
Date: 2013-10-01 00:26
It's getting the high G6 to come out cleanly and not too loud, right?
The G6 is an unaccented note, the second in a group of four. Practice it by playing the second, third and fourth notes an octave lower, beginning with G5. Then go back to the passage as written, without accenting the G.
The standard alternate fingering is with the left index finger rather than the middle finger. You don't have to push so hard to get it out. However, that fingering is still tricky.
The solution is to use Av Galper's fingering, with no fingers on the right hand and just the left index finger on the left hand. Reach up and open the top trill key, or the second trill key, or both, depending on which is in tune. This produced a stable, absolutely dependable G6 that you don't have to push or bite to get out. The next note, E6, gives you plenty of time to move your right index finger down for the C#6.
Ken Shaw
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Author: Maestro_6
Date: 2013-10-01 05:37
I am currently working through this concerto and am dealing with this passage. The best way to think about it is to blow through the passage all the way to the end of each phrase. During those leaps to high notes (e.g. clarion D - to - altissimo D), think "down" while blowing a consistent airstream and it will tend to allow you to not cut back on the air, which will help to achieve a smooth and solid tone across the register break. It will take a bit of practice. As for the G6, my teacher and I are finding this fingering to have the response and tuning qualities to work well for this excerpt:
1-3 | 12-(Eb)
Try this on your clarinet to see how it feels and tunes. It will not feel comfortable immediately, but it does benefit me now that I've relearned it (I used to use the LH index finger + Eb key G6).
Hope this helps!
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Author: Alexis
Date: 2013-10-01 07:16
I would make sure you can play it as smoothly as possible at a slow tempo.
The articulation is the last thing to worry about.
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Author: BflatNH
Date: 2013-10-01 17:49
Assuming that the fingering will be on pitch, I also consider the sequence of fingering so that the sequence is easier to learn & play and fits in with the prior and subsequent notes, and what notes will sound (speak) reliably coming from the prior note in the sequence.
There was an article in The Clarinet (I think) about 2-1/2 years ago on the high note selection in view of speaking reliably and intonation.
In this instance, G ( oxx|xox Eb) goes well for me to the E ( oxx|ooo Eb) and is reasonably in tune.
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Author: Ken Shaw ★2017
Date: 2013-10-01 22:36
The tempo is not fast. Petraglio plays it at around 116, pushing to 120 in the bravura sections, which is just right. It has to be that slow to bring to the singing, operatic lines and make the sextuplets audible, not to mention playable.
The fingering depends on the clarinet. He's not playing a Buffet. (Notice the very short strut for the pad connected to the left middle finger ring.) Oh, and he plays the G6 really sharp both times. He should have used a better fingering.
Ken Shaw
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Author: peergynt
Date: 2013-10-02 01:29
Dear all,
Thank you for the responses. Excellent suggestions all round with ideas brought forth that I would otherwise never have thought of. Bravo.
Ken - The Galper fingering is excellent. Speaks every time and is much more in tune then my other fingering. I will use this from now on.
FWIW, I had previously used this fingering (for the G6) which was cumbersome and higher in pitch relative the notes around it:
X00 XX0 (Eb)
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