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 help with trills
Author: jan 
Date:   2001-03-26 23:59

hi guys....i need some help! i never really learned how to trill, and we're playing 76 trombones in band and it has a lot of trills. i thot i understood how to do them but now i realize i might not and im getting myself all confused about what note to actually trill to a whole step or half?? and on certain ones how to actually do the trill.

the song starts in the key of c and the first note to trill is a G (top of the staff)...so i go up to A right? then C (3rd space)..to D? then high C (2 ledger lines) how do you trill this one?

theres a key change of 1 B flat. starting note to trill is A..do i trill up to a Bb? next is Bb, do i go up to C? and how do you do this one? F goes to G or F#?

another key change (1 F#)...in this section theres a high D to ledger lines above staff..how do you trill this one?

i feel so stupid. i really should know this. if someone could help me id really appreciate it.

thanks, jan

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 RE: help with trills
Author: Corey 
Date:   2001-03-27 00:45

go to the woodwind fingering guide it has a preety good trill chart.on most trills(unless it tells you)you trill up to the next full step-up like on c you trill to d and so on

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 RE: help with trills
Author: Lindsay 
Date:   2001-03-27 00:58


Hey Jan--

Don't feel silly at all. Trills are probably one of the most confusing things to interpret sometimes. However, I think I can help you out some.

Normally, unless notated by an accidental next to the trill marking, you trill one step up in the key. So you were right in saying trill from G to A, C to D, then C to D an octave higher, and A to Bb after the key change.

To trill from a C just above the staff to the D above the staff, hold down a regular C fingering and then either trill your throat G# key (under your left finger) or trill the second key down from the top of the set of four on the right side. Does that make sense? I hope so. Either fingering works, however I prefer the right-hand one, because it is more in tune for me and my setup. Just experiment.

To trill from the throat Bb to a C, hold down the Bb fingering and then trill the top side key on the right in the set of four.

Also, you would trill from F to G, not F#.

Finally, to trill from D two spaces above the staff, you simply lift your right index finger and play a high E, three ledger lines above the staff. (So the fingering for a high E is just like a C one ledger line below the staff, only your left index finger is lifted and you have the right pinky on the Eb/Ab key.)

Again, I hope I helped, and please don't ever be afraid to ask. We're all here to help!

--Lindsay

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 RE: help with trills
Author: Dee 
Date:   2001-03-27 01:58

The normal trill is between the note itself and the next note up *in the scale* that you are playing in.

If the trill symbol has a flat, sharp, or natural symbol combined with it, that symbol is applied to the upper note of the trill.

Some samples:

In the key of C, trilling the C alternates the notes C and D. Trilling the A alternates the notes A and B.

In the key of F, trilling the note Bb alternates the notes Bb and C. Trilling an F alternates the notes F and G.

In the key of G, trilling an E alternates the notes of E and F#. Trilling a G alternates the notes G and A.

Finally say you are in the key of Bb. The note D has a trill mark on it but that trill mark has a natural symbol with it. In this case, the trill is NOT D to Eb (the next note in the scale) but would be D to E.

The trill chart bound in the middle of the Rubank Advanced Volumes I and II shows the commonest fingerings for normal and unusual trills (such as clarion Ab to Bb). This one is nice because it is very clear and uncluttered (easy to read) and is easy to take with you.

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 RE: help with trills
Author: Bob Curtis 
Date:   2001-03-27 01:59

jan:

The general rule of thumb for a trill is to go UP to the next note in the scale, UNLESS it is marked differently with a # or b above or below the Tr~~ sign.. I would suggest that you get a good trill chart as has been recommended because there are so many tricky ones that are really quite simple IF you know which key to push. Some of them will surprise you as to how easy they really are, and others are really doozers

Good Luck,
Bob Curtis,

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 RE: help with trills
Author: jan 
Date:   2001-03-27 02:32

ah ha! this is starting to make more sense now.
thanks everyone for explaining it.
jan

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 RE: help with trills
Author: Hiroshi 
Date:   2001-03-27 06:40

The trills in the earlier period starts from the upper note.

James Galway says in his book:
'My impression is that anyone does not exercise properly. There is an example
that anyone would forget his self-satisfaction in Marcel Moyse 'Grand Liaison'.'

Although this is spoken of flute playing.....

Hans Martin Linde wrote a good book about trills and acciaturas(speling?).

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 RE: help with trills
Author: Micaela 
Date:   2001-03-30 22:44

A whole book about trills? Yikes.

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