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Author: Vova Doob(UA)
Date: 2013-07-09 21:33
I saw resonators on Schwenk & Seggelke Clarinet(Lower Joint F,F#,E keys), I haven`t heard the sound, so I ask you, maby someone had experience with such thing?
Thank You
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2013-07-09 21:36
Buffet Elites had screw in resonators (similar to flute resonators) on their largest pads as did the Leblanc Opus.
Yamaha CSGs have plastic resonators on nearly all their pads.
I don't know if they do much to improve the sound compared to normal skin pads that are flat, but they do prevent the centres of the pad sagging and consequently reducing the venting.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
Post Edited (2013-07-09 21:38)
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2013-07-09 21:54
I don't think they change the sound, but they will ensure the lower joint notes with them fitted will remain clear and have good venting.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2013-07-10 09:51
If you consider Leblanc used to use some pretty crappy pads back in the day with a woven felt disc and the goldbeaters skin was slack and used to sag big time, the addition of the resos on the Opus made sure these larger pads remained flat in the centre.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: Vova Doob(UA)
Date: 2013-07-10 10:00
I want to try to install metal resonators (12.0 diameter) to my Selmer Series 9 and to old metal Cadet clarinet.
Maby someone can advice something?
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2013-07-10 11:00
You can fit rivets directly to standard pads which will be much easier than altering the clarinet by soldering threaded bushes into the pad cups.
I was going to do this on my old B&H 2-20 back in around 1987 when I started working in my local music shop.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: Ken Shaw ★2017
Date: 2013-07-10 17:40
For many years, it was impossible to get resonator replacement pads for Leblanc contras. You had to find junked ones to cannibalize. The pads on my paperclip BBb (made half in 1965 and half in 1969) were in good enough shape for a flute specialist to seat with semi-circular paper cutouts, in the standard flute manner.
Way back on Sneezy, Clark Fobes wrote that he nipped off the screw receivers at the bottoms of Leblanc contra pad cups and floated in standard bladder pads on melted shellac.
When you took an R13 to Hans Moennig, he offered to snip off the "ears" that guide the bridge key halves to prevent damage on assembly. He said top pro players noticed the difference in key weight. I think that when Moennig made the claim, nobody would dare contradict him, and the placebo effect made it work.
Selmer made a VERY short-lived Padless Alto sax model. It had metal rims on the finger spatula bottoms mating with the metal tone holes. The keys were 100% resonator, and the action was extremely light but it started leaking within a couple of minutes. http://www.cybersax.com/features/SelmerPadlessAlto/SelmerPadlessAlto.html.
Ken Shaw
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Author: Vova Doob(UA)
Date: 2013-07-10 17:52
One professor of music academy in Ukraine told me that he mounted resonators with glue, I don`t know it is true or not but I think that this way resonators will no any effect. Maby I`m wrong
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Author: Tony F
Date: 2013-07-11 00:10
About 50 years ago I saw a guy in a band in Germany using a tenor without conventional pads. The tone holes were rimmed with circles of cork and flat plates seated onto them. I asked him where it came from, but language got in the way. My German was poor as was his English, but he pointed vaguely in an easterly direction and said "Ost, Ost", so my guess is that it came from somewhere in the Soviet sector.
Tony F.
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Author: Hurstfarm
Date: 2013-07-11 08:40
It is of course very difficult to gauge accurately what impact resonator pads will have on an instrument. The supposed advantages are tiny: if they weren't, resonator pads would be in widespread use. Comparing two instruments of the same model with different pads is inconclusive, as they may play differently for other reasons, and a "before and after" test is complicated by the time it would take to make the transition.
That said, there are some bold claims for resonator pads. Peter Eaton suggests they have a "truly remarkable impact on the resonance" (http://www.eatonclarinets.freeserve.co.uk/). I play Eaton Elites, which I've found still hold their own against newer top-end offerings from Buffet, Yamaha and Backun. I love the tone and have no wish to switch to conventional pads. Are the pads critical to the qualities of the instrument? In all honesty I'm not sure, but would not want to take the risk!
For another twist to the debate, Eddie Ashton, who has produced composite "superpads" for some time (http://www.woodwindco.com/), is now producing "akustapads" with a resonating middle section - one option for which is a traditional skin pad...
While it seems there's room to debate the merits of resonators, which make a tiny difference if any, no resonator will ever come to the rescue of a pad that doesn't produce a perfect seal in the first place!
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Author: David Spiegelthal ★2017
Date: 2013-07-11 18:16
If you believe in the positive effects of Hamilton plating, and in the Easter bunny, and Santa Claus and the Great Pumpkin, and "voicing grooves" in the clarinet bell, and my favorites from the automobile world (the old 100 mpg carburetor and, more recently, the magnet you strap around the fuel line to "align" the gasoline molecules), then you should have no trouble convincing yourself that resonator pads make a significant improvement in the sound of your clarinet.
Believe whatever you like and buy the most expensive products you can; it's good for the economy.
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Author: Ken Shaw ★2017
Date: 2013-07-11 18:39
David -
I just bought the Brooklyn Bridge, in partnership with a very nice Nigerian lady, the widow of the former Nigerian Secretary of Alligator Wrestling (the second most popular Nigerian spectator sport after public beheadings).
I had put up all the money to begin, but she promised to pay me back when the money starts to roll in from the high tolls we will impose.
Ken Shaw
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