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Author: orange10394
Date: 2013-06-30 13:24
I bought for my son a clarinet in year ~2008, Buffet Crampon made in Germany. I couldn't find the model labeled on the instrument. I can only find serial number 104113.
I did some research online, found people mention if there is no model labeled on the Buffet Crampon, it could be R13 or pre R13. Could any one give me information on why there is a missing model label? I also need you refer a website link that I could enter the serial number to find correct model of my son's clarinet?
Thanks in advance!
Michelle
Post Edited (2013-06-30 13:28)
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Author: Ken Shaw ★2017
Date: 2013-06-30 13:34
If it's marked Made in Germany, it's not an R13. 100% of R13s (and pre-R13s) are marked Made in France.
Ken Shaw
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2013-06-30 13:48
If it's wood, it's an E11 - it will be easy to identify by the keywork if for whatever reason it wasn't stamped as an E11. The bodies on these clarinets are usually painted black to make them look uniform (to hide the variation in colour and grain pattern of natural grenadilla).
If it's plastic, it's a B12 - to be sure you have a plastic B12 (as they often have a wood grain finish), look inside the bell and bore which will be very shiny, as will the sockets.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
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Author: orange10394
Date: 2013-06-30 17:09
Thank for both Chris and Ken for the answers.
It's pretty filter out it's not R13. The material is wood, it should be E11, but to your knowledge why the model not stamped? How could I identify it on Buffet Crampon website? It seems the site other people used before doesn't exist any more:
http://www.buffetcrampon.com/en/instruments.php
Thanks,
Michelle
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2013-06-30 18:07
The logos are printed on the E11s so it could just be one of a batch that went through without getting the model number printed on it.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: Ken Shaw ★2017
Date: 2013-06-30 19:25
I've frankly never handled an E11 (or a B12).
On my R13s, the stamped-in logos go below the surface. They're easy to identify by running your fingertip over them. They're often filled in with gold crayon. They're like the serial number, which is also stamped into the wood.
A printed logo may feel a bit rough, but nothing will go below the surface.
Ken Shaw
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Author: pewd
Date: 2013-06-30 22:49
Pictures please.
If it is engraved 'made in germany' in the back in the center, next to the serial number, then it is not a R13 and is probably an E11.
Buffet never engraves model numbers. The 'E11' model id is painted on , and quickly wears off after the insturment is put into service.
R13's have a cutout under the lower joint right side key stack, a marker of pro horns.
The bridge key is different, the left side lower joint keys are different, etc.,so a picture would confirm. But no R13's are made in Germany, so if it has 'Germany' engraved, its an E11. Although I don't recall that particular serial number range being part of the E11 line, 2008 E11's should have a much larger serial #
- Paul Dods
Dallas, Texas
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Author: Tony F
Date: 2013-06-30 23:28
On some E11's the model number was only printed, not stamped. After a few years use it is often no longer visible. I've seen several E11's like this. Sometimes if you use a magnifying glass it can still be seen faintly under the buffet logo on the upper joint.
Tony F.
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Author: orange10394
Date: 2013-07-01 16:01
Thanks every one for the information.
I just called the BC customer service, they found this instrument model is E11 with silver key.
I was told the model number should engraved in the barrel and bell. I will check it out when I get home.
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2013-07-01 16:23
I don't ever remember E11s having their barrels and bells stamped with the model number (it'll be on the back of the bell below the socket ring and above the lower socket ring on the barrel) - maybe they started doing that fairly recently.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: Tony F
Date: 2013-07-01 16:30
I've not seen the E11 model designator anywhere except on the upper joint below the logo.
Tony F.
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Author: orange10394
Date: 2013-07-03 04:56
I search the bell and barrel couldn't find model number, only see Buffet Crampon logo painted on the bell. It is not engraved, so almost wear out. Only serial numbers are engraved in the 2 main pieces. Does the missing model engrave would affect people recognize the clarinet value?
Here are some photo attached.
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Author: orange10394
Date: 2013-07-03 04:56
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I search the bell and barrel couldn't find model number, only see Buffet Crampon logo painted on the bell. It is not engraved, so almost wear out. Only serial numbers are engraved in the 2 main pieces. Does the missing model engrave would affect people recognize the clarinet value?
Here are some photo attached.
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2013-07-03 09:01
Anyone who knows their clarinets will be able to see this is an E11, so the missing model number won't have any effect on its value. All the other indications are there, so I don't think there's any problem in identifying it as an E11.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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