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Author: Culver City Art
Date: 2013-06-06 16:12
Does anyone know anything about the Buffet attache cases that the R 13's come in? Why are they so expensive and are they worth the money?
$140- $185 depending on where you buy them. Art.
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Author: Paul Aviles
Date: 2013-06-06 16:27
Why? They are good, decently made cases with adequate storage and they will last a long time. Of course I use an old Leblanc case mostly but the Buffet is a good second choice any day.
..................Paul Aviles
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Author: bethmhil
Date: 2013-06-06 21:12
They are very pretty...
BMH
Illinois State University, BME and BM Performance
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2013-06-06 22:25
These cases aren't all that great as the joints can slide around in them - especially the top joint.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: MSK
Date: 2013-06-07 00:08
I recently purchased a Buffet single attache case that I believe is for the Festival rather than R13, but the photo looks the same. I got a real bargain and didn't pay retail. I'm happy with the case for what I paid, but don't consider it worth full retail price. Like others have said, it is attractive, sturdy, and has decent storage. However the music compartment on the single case is nearly worthless. I have to trim the margins off 8.5 x 11 copy paper for the music to fit and commercially printed books and music just don't fit. Also it only holds one barrel.
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Author: Culver City Art
Date: 2013-06-07 00:09
Oh.... I didn't know that, Chris. I would think that the case would hold the clarinet tight but not so tight as to stress or bend the keywork. What's a good alternative to a Buffet attache? Maybe a protec pb307 slimline?
I would like to look at a J. Winter case but none of the stores carry them. I guess you have to order them from Germany? Art.
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Author: gsurosey
Date: 2013-06-07 00:21
Weiner Music has Jakob Winter cases. Check out their web site.
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Rachel
Clarinet Stash:
Bb/A: Buffet R13
Eb: Bundy
Bass: Royal Global Max
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Author: Culver City Art
Date: 2013-06-07 00:34
Hi MSK, I bought a 1951 Buffet Bb in April. These are known as pre- R13's. Was overhauled before I bought it, looks almost new! Original case too but I want to save that and get a new case, something high quality. I would have to try the clarinet in it first to see if it fits right, not too tight or loose. Art.
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Author: MSK
Date: 2013-06-07 00:50
Actually I bought my Buffet attache to replace a Protec Slimline which I don't like. The Protec slimline has way more storage, but it's all in the exterior pocket which makes it tip over when the lid is open. The slimline has the advantages of being smaller and lighter and has carry strap. The attache has less storage, but isn't tippy. I sometimes put the attache inside of a Lands End soft briefcase (like a gig bag) when I need to carry more stuff. Neither holds 2 barrels. Both are sturdy, but very different styles. It really depends on what you want. I have a friend who loves his Protec Carry-all. It isn't tippy like the slimline and has tons of storage, but is very large.
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Author: Culver City Art
Date: 2013-06-07 02:02
What happened to traditional music cases I used to see growing up that students as well as pro's carried their instruments in? Like we've been discussing, attache, pouchette, J.Winter as examples. Why do most musicians want over the shoulder or backpack cases now? I like the old fashioned style myself (I'm 52 by the way). Art.
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Author: Paul Aviles
Date: 2013-06-07 03:11
Hey Art,
I know exactly what you mean, that's why I stick with a battered up Leblanc case from the early 90s.
The BAM double case is still configured so that you can carry it briefcase style, and the Yamaha double case (at least from circa 2006) is pretty standard.
All these slim and or oblong cases make me whoozy.
..................Paul Aviles
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Author: Culver City Art
Date: 2013-06-07 04:02
Paul, I just read your post again what you wrote earlier today, I asked why are the Buffet attache cases so expensive and you replied that they are well made. A poster named Chris said that the joints can move around in the attache especially the upper joint. I wonder if that's so with every clarinet or maybe just what he has experienced with his particular case. Why do you like the Leblanc better than the Buffet case? Art
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Author: Culver City Art
Date: 2013-06-07 04:05
You like it because it's more traditional, I answered my own question! Art.
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2013-06-07 11:07
The Buffet single cases have indents either side of the tenons to aid removal from the case, but these can often become compressed so the joint can move around in the slot. I've seen this in several Buffet cases which have come to me. Not only in Buffet cases but also in the older Selmer cases (brown vinyl covered with gold interior) where the polystyrene lining compresses or breaks down causing the same thing.
I don't play Buffet Bb/A clarinets - I play older Selmers but use Yamaha double cases for them as they're about the best made box cases on the market in my opinion. I'm not a fan of the lightweight zip-up or back-pack style cases as they don't offer as much protection as box cases as they're usually soft-sided so any pressure on top will cause damage to the clarinet within.
My Buffet bass and basset horn have lightweight cases which I'm not particularly keen on - the basset horn case lid keeps closing itself whenever left sat open which is a pain and the back-pack straps don't let it sit flat.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
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Author: Culver City Art
Date: 2013-06-07 18:01
Chris, I've heard that bore lengths can differ among the manufacturers? I don't know if that's true, but your Selmer's fit in a Yamaha case so no problem. I bought this clarinet (1951 Buffet) in April with original case. Like I said in my earlier post clarinet looks next to new and case is almost in same condition but I want to save this pouchette case and get a different one, as you call them "box cases". I'm not a pro- just play as a hobby but want a case that will protect this instrument another 62 years!
This '51 I have is very free blowing, reminds me of Selmer's . I know a couple of musicians that have Centered Tones and Series 9's. I have tried their clarinets before and my '51 is very much like above mentioned models, but a little more resistant. I guess my bore is a bit narrower than Selmer's?
Art
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2013-06-07 18:30
I think the older Buffers have a larger bore compared to moden Buffets, but still narrower than some Selmer bores - the CT has a .590 bore, the Series 9 has a .588 bore and the Series 9* has a .577 bore.
Most Boehm systems have similar joint lengths - the main variation is the top end of the top joint or the lower end of the lower joint which can vary in length from one model to another as well as make. My CTs and Series 9s have different length joints which was made apparent as I fitted out my Yamaha double case to take a set of Series 9 full Boehms - the lower joint on the CT full Boehm Bb is a shade shorter than a Series 9 full Boehm and the CT has the slightly longer top joint in comparison to the Series 9.
Former oboe finisher
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1998 - 2010
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