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Author: ramsa
Date: 2013-05-31 17:42
I have an older Yamaha YCL62 that I dearly love playing. The original barrel has developed a serious crack, and I'm looking to replace it with a new one that will give good sound, while not looking too much out of place.
Any ideas?
Thanks in advance...
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Author: JJAlbrecht
Date: 2013-05-31 18:09
If you want one that "looks right," just get a new Yamaha replacement barrel for it. If you want an improvement over the old barrel, check with custoim barrel makers such as Allan Segal or Morie Backun. They make bueautiful barrels in a variety of different woods. I personally like the looks fo cocobollo wooden barrels annd bells on standard instruments. It sets them aside as a "cut above the rest."
Jeff
“Everyone discovers their own way of destroying themselves, and some people choose the clarinet.” Kalman Opperman, 1919-2010
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Author: SteveG_CT
Date: 2013-05-31 18:11
ramsa wrote:
> I have an older Yamaha YCL62 that I dearly love playing. The
> original barrel has developed a serious crack, and I'm looking
> to replace it with a new one that will give good sound, while
> not looking too much out of place.
> Any ideas?
> Thanks in advance...
>
You can always try to find a replacement stock barrel although Yamaha parts may be a little harder to find. Otherwise I'm sure that any of the custom barrel makers you set you up with something that will work. If you want to minimize the "look at me factor" with a custom barrel you could probably send the maker a picture of your original barrel and ask them to make the new one out of a piece of wood that matches the color.
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Author: pewd
Date: 2013-05-31 18:32
Call Dr. Segal. His products are of the highest quality.
Nope, I don't work for him, I just like his barrels.
- Paul Dods
Dallas, Texas
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Author: Garth Libre
Date: 2013-05-31 18:52
Send me the old one. I've become quite handy with fixing them with thin CA glue and wood dust. Please don't throw the old one out.
Garth, 305-981-4705. garthlibre@yahoo.com
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Author: Jack Kissinger
Date: 2013-05-31 20:35
David, you can fix the barrel, yourself. Just buy some superglue (liquid, not gel) for wood/leather. Fill the crack and let it dry. (Don't try to sqeeze the wood back togerther or clamp it, just let the glue fill the crack.) When it's dry, sand off the excess inside and outside with fine sandpaper. I've done this successfully with several barrels and bells that were split top to bottom.
Best regards,
jnk
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Author: Joe Bloke
Date: 2013-05-31 21:23
@ Jack K.
Do you have a finish recommendation that can be applied after sanding? Something to match the black-wood finish.
(I have a similar situation on the exterior). Thanks!
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Author: Garth Libre
Date: 2013-05-31 22:30
I just re-oil, and all my clarinets look basically even toned afterwards. I wouldn't use a stain on the inside but on the outside I might mix a little India ink in with the almond oil if it absolutely needed it.
Garth, 305-981-4705. garthlibre@yahoo.com
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Author: Joe Bloke
Date: 2013-06-01 16:44
@ Garth & jbutler: Thanks for the tips on finish.
I had also read on this board (sometime back) that liquid black shoe polish matches some clarinet finishes. I'm a little afraid to give that a try.
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Author: Garth Libre
Date: 2013-06-01 18:32
If you can get away with just using sweet almond oil, it just might darken the wood perfectly (you can always try something like a dye or a stain if it doesn't work). With my Buffet barrel it worked perfectly. When I moved the thumb rest of the my Yamaha, I filled the old holes with a tooth pick and sanded it down flat. When I applied almond oil the finish was perfect except for the two tiny toothpick spots which I died with a brown magic marker. I would always start with something mild to touch up the barrel crack like a hint of ink mixed in with the oil rub but I doubt it would be needed. Shoe polish is out of the question as it isn't permanent and it is notoriously toxic. You will be breathing it in for a long time every time you take a big breath before a pasage.
Garth, 305-981-4705. garthlibre@yahoo.com
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Author: Taras12
Date: 2013-06-01 21:47
Be careful with any aniline dye. Many are carcinogens.
Tristan
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Author: Garth Libre
Date: 2013-06-02 00:39
Some aniline dyes are used in fabric for clothing, but think of all the times you such the spit out of your horn. I would feel safer using nothing but oils. I believe that the Yamahas were never dyed. Mine, the CRV, was undyed, and I know this because when I applied oil, and rubbed to a shine, the finish was identical.
Garth, 305-981-4705. garthlibre@yahoo.com
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Author: jbutler ★2017
Date: 2013-06-02 02:09
Why would one put dye inside the barrel? Wasn't the question about the outside? If not, I misread the thread.
Post Edited (2013-06-02 02:10)
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Author: Garth Libre
Date: 2013-06-02 03:01
I occasionaly use the swab to quickly wipe the outside. I have separate cotton cloths that I wipe the keys, rings and tenons, but there is no absolute segregation of outside and inside in the bore. Toxic dyes should not be used outside or inside because fumes and chemicals migrate from outside to inside ending up in the human body.
Garth, 305-981-4705. garthlibre@yahoo.com
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Author: Jack Kissinger
Date: 2013-06-02 03:26
Joe,
If you do a careful sanding job, you shouldn't need any dye. I pulled out an old clarinet I'd repaired whose bell had been split from top to bottom. It had been several years since I did it so I didn't remember where the split had been. It took me 5 minutes to find it and I only found it because the light accidentally hit it just right.
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Author: Garth Libre
Date: 2013-06-02 08:48
I repaired a Buffet barrel that had been split from top to bottom, inside and out. Admittedly, the split was sometimes not too visible anyway. I used wood dust from a piece of blackwood dusted into the crack to start. Then I slowly transferred one drop at a time of thin CA glue into the crack inside and out. (Only takes 10 minutes or so, not a hard job - maybe thirty drops). I did a light sanding with 800 grit paper. When it was dry, a few hours later, I rubbed sweet almond oil into the whole barrel. The repair was not visible unless you were looking for it. I can send photos. The important thing is slow methodical work. Wesley Rice said it was a good repair and he could hardly see it. If the crack crosses a tone hole it's a very different story because the tone hole will need special attention to get it just right. The US army core staff sargent of bands recommends wrapping the tone hole pad with teflon plumbers tape and letting the repair dry in contact with the pad sitting on the crack. When it dries, the glue will not stick to the tape. Even a repair like that is possible by amateurs. I have seen pictures of badly repaired cracks like look like right out of a horror movie but we need not join those amateurs if we are careful and follow a good plan.
Garth, 305-981-4705. garthlibre@yahoo.com
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Author: JackHorrocks
Date: 2013-06-02 18:02
New Buffet Icon barrel looks awesome. Can get Gold, Silver or Black nickel rings.
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Author: ramsa
Date: 2013-06-03 13:21
Thanks for the many reply posting!
I'll keep the original, and probably do a super glue repair, but will also look into an aftermarket replacement that will improve my estimation of tone and cosmetics. I'm not objecting to something custom looking, just don't want it to look too "space-age" for such a beautiful instrument. The use of plastics and aluminum kinda turn me off.
Maybe my sound will improve also... One can only hope.
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Author: jbutler ★2017
Date: 2013-06-03 16:16
I rarely use any dye either but some E11 clarinets came with that awful black dye coating on them. Repairs that require sanding can make them look more noticeable if something isn't done to blend the repair.
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