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Author: Jaytm92
Date: 2013-05-30 11:32
Does anyone know of any 'fun' and relatively recent music out there?
I was listening to another college student playing a piece on saxophone called Voyage by Charlotte Harding, which was stunning, and wondered if there were any 'nice' modern stuff for clarinet.
Pieces I currently have are Artie Shaw's Clarinet Concerto and Robert Livingston Aldridge's Samba!
It would be best though if the music would be useable in assessed college recitals though!
Thanks!
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Author: cigleris
Date: 2013-05-30 11:51
There are many pieces. Why don't you do the research yourself. If your a college student (RWCMD I assume) then you would be expected to listen to as much as you can and discover the scores for yourself.
Peter Cigleris
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Author: Ken Shaw ★2017
Date: 2013-05-30 12:06
Is Immer Kleiner recent enough for you?
If you can put together an orchestra, Gnarly Buttons is great fun.
Ken Shaw
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Author: Jaytm92
Date: 2013-05-30 12:25
Peter, thank you for telling me what is expected of me and providing me with an insight of how not to respond to someone looking for help and recommendations from experienced clarinettists.
Ken, I've just watched a video of Immer Kleiner and it is great! I will certainly be looking into that one.
I have heard the Gnarly Buttons before but totally forgot about, if I can get my hands on it to study it, it could be fun!
Thank you!
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Author: cigleris
Date: 2013-05-30 12:39
Sorry Jay, thanks for your Twitter abuse. It's comments like that that make professional and experienced clarinettists like myself (who take initiative to discover for myself what I'm interested I performing etc.) want to not help people like you.
Peter Cigleris
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Author: Garth Libre
Date: 2013-05-30 14:05
I thought Jay's question was quite civil and appropriatly presented. Preparing himself for assesed college recitals, it would be natural for him to seek out people who have been through these trials of fire in order to try to sidestep any unforseen pitfalls. Proffesors generally encourage this kind of questioning, at the same time they try to encourage self-directed research. Having just heard samples of Peter Cigleris' debut CD, I'm inclined to tolerate his impatience as it is clear he is unusually talented. That said, it is better not to step unneccesarily on people's toes. As I grow older I understand that the world functions more harmoniously when the very talented among us not write ourselves a get out of jail free card just to avoid social ettiquite.
Garth, 305-981-4705. garthlibre@yahoo.com
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Author: Jaytm92
Date: 2013-05-30 14:53
Thank you for your response Garth. I was slightly taken back because I thought that forums were for questions like mine, the 'unexperienced'. I know there are many pieces out there and am in no way looking for a lazy man's way through. I have done a lot of research on clarinet music, but there is only so far I can go without guidance. Thankfully, my current tutor gives me great advice but all of us are always learning and discovering new things, so surely the best way to do so is asking others what they recommend.
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Author: bethmhil
Date: 2013-05-30 15:59
Blue Tongue by Barry Cockroft is definitely fun! I played it for some junior high kids at a summer concert band camp a year ago, and they went absolutely wild for it.
BMH
Illinois State University, BME and BM Performance
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Author: Taras12
Date: 2013-05-30 18:37
Garth, I applaud your tolerance. Personally, there's no place for rudeness, regardless of talent, station-in-life or experience. "As momma always said, if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything.'"
Tristan
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Author: Garth Libre
Date: 2013-05-30 21:39
Tristan, I understand that you find my attitude as being "tolerance", and there are a few reasons why I practice tolerance as well as I can. I have heard stories of many fine artists, writers, singers, musicians, composers, actors etc who are exceptionally cruel and insulting. When I was dancing, I encountered quite a few well known and not so-well recognized dancers who were amazingly painful people to deal with. One partner of mine never missed an opportunity to rank me out and try to make me feel as bad as possible about my "partnering skills" even while we were on stage. Strangely, there was no correlation between level of talent and level of unpleasantness in these people. Some great dancers were downright angels, and some second rate dancers were as nasty as all get-out. One wise teacher, Finnis Jhung, told me early on, that i could find myself on stage, and in one wing I could be aware of someone putting me down, and in the other wing I could perceive the same. My job would then be to look out, focus on the technique, the music and the role. It was some of the best advise I ever had. I vowed never to be the source of pain for anyone in an artistic or learning situation. I need to keep to that promise. That is why I said what I did to Jay. The treatment he received was unwarranted, but learning to deal with it is a skill that benefits the cause of social harmony, and even more so the person who practices "tolerance'.
Garth, 305-981-4705. garthlibre@yahoo.com
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Author: Hurstfarm
Date: 2013-05-30 22:52
Bush "Tributes"
Greaves "Clarinet Cakewalk"
Different style, but worth discovering: Christopher Ball "Celtic Twilight" (trio with violin and piano) and other compositions
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Author: cigleris
Date: 2013-05-30 22:54
Ok, let me try and set the record straight.
I wasn't trying to be rude or insulting. I was nearly trying to let the OP know that it is far more satisfying to have a journey of self discovery. If the OP took it the wrong way then that is the issue of the OP though I apologise for coming across in a blunt manner. I don't believe in spoon feeding and I read the post (perhaps mistakenly) as that.
I believe that we decide our own paths and we need to get of our arses to do something about our dreams and desires. Garth, you are indeed a wise man. I learnt what you say the hard way.
We live in the Internet age where the younger generation expect things, information etc. to be there at a click of a mouse without the need to work for it or to work it out for themselves. This is evident in the OP filling the rude and imo abusive comments I received on Twitter by the OP and his friend.
I am more than ready to help someone once they have exhausted all avenues of their initiative. This board is good for something's but sadly doesn't help "serious students" who perhaps dream of becoming professional musicians. The profession has changed, people who succeed are those that have the backbone and desire to want to succeed through their own hard work, not that of someone else.
I'm not suggesting the OP is lazy, on the contrary but surely a serious music student would be going through the music library in their institution or local music shop for new repertoire?
Anyway apologies for any offence, it was certainly not meant.
Peter Cigleris
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Author: Jaytm92
Date: 2013-05-31 00:01
If you were trying to let me know "that it was far more satisfying to have a journey of self discovery" you should have said that and not what you said in your original post. You are right, we do live in an internet age, but it is not just the young generation who expect things "to be there at a click of a mouse without the need to work for it or to work it out for themselves."
I did not say an abusive comment on twitter, I merely quoted your first two sentences and said "the ironic words of an educator". Also, the conversation you had with my friend was between the two of you, as I did not take part.
You say you are "more than ready to help someone once they have exhausted all avenues of their initiative" however you assume that I have done nothing with regards to research. Surely an educator would provide some form of direction or encouragement on places to look, composers to look at or even well known players to listen to - this is not spoon feeding.
You state this board is good for some things, however you stated on twitter "that forum is full of too many people that thing they know all and don't".
I find your remarks scathing, a generalisation that all students are lazy and want to succeed off someone else's work. I find it particularly grievous when directed at me by someone who is a complete stranger to me and knows nothing about me. I find it offensive that you say "a serious music student would be going through the music library in their institution or local music shop for new repertoire", implicating that A) I am not a serious music student, and B) that I have not done this already.
Reiterating my original post, I am merely looking for pieces that people are playing/have played, that I may not have heard of, and would recommend. Just because I have only mentioned two pieces in my original post does not mean these are the only pieces I have looked at.
I would remind you that the rules of this forum state that there should be no ad hominem attacks and only the question and answer should be discussed and not to make assumptions on the person. There should also be no advertising of your work, there should be no mentioning of sales or offers to buy.
Post Edited (2013-05-31 00:02)
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Author: Garth Libre
Date: 2013-05-31 00:16
Peter
I think the issue is one that touched me deeply. The problem here is one which you could have no way of knowing about. When I saw the interaction between you and Jay, I recognized something inside myself. By the time I was 20, it was clear to me that I was uniquely gifted as a dancer and I had a fairly easy (8 hours a day, blood and tears) ascent to near the top of the ballet world (soloist roles in good recognized companies). People always asked me how it was possible that I achieved so much, and generally I was a beast and told them just to focus and work harder. Two years later I was crippled and devoid of an art form to express myself (all before I turned 30). As great as I think I was, I am ashamed to admit it but I probably was not as talented as a dancer as you are a composer. (It's hard to compare the two fields, but there, I just did). I was left with a lot of bitterness, and a bit of a broken spirit.
Yes it is true that one needs to do the work on their own, but it is also true that I could have used a bit more kindness along the way. In the end, I became as bitter as some of the teachers that tried to light a fire under my butt with stinging words. I wish I was treated kinder, and most of all I wish I treated others who were left in my wake a little kinder.
Now I am a beginner again, relearning clarinet (the instrument I had to drop out of time necessity 40 years before). I hope someone realizes that I am not just a struggling clarinetist, but a once triumphant dancer. Not that it matters, who I was. I still stink the joint out as a clarinet player. I also am a home school teacher to my 9 year old son, and once again I'm afraid I sometimes get a little too impatient and display too little kindness.
Garth, 305-981-4705. garthlibre@yahoo.com
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Author: Taras12
Date: 2013-05-31 02:32
Peter, Perhaps your past experiences have caused you to become sadly cynical. What you failed to recognize was that Jay was doing his "research." What better place than to ask for guidance. Better yet to have a talented professional give him direction to find the information. Too bad, your professional response was to belittle and demean him. May you be released from these experiences, which has caused you, in turn, to perpetuate this cynical attitude in others. The Buddha once taught that anger is like picking up and throwing a hot coal.
Garth, While I'm not an artist, performer or musician, your experiences are an echo of mine as an intern, resident and practicing physician, who mentors students, interns and residents. We teach using the Socratic method, which at times is a bit cold and harsh. I have seen this method used to both encourage or demean. My fondest memories are those who never gave the direct answer, but showed me where to look. One can be firm and kind, challenging without being cruel. That, in my opinion, is the mark of an outstanding mentor. I wish you success, but more importantly, peace and an end to your bitterness as you pursue the clarinet.
Tristan
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Author: Clarimeister
Date: 2013-05-31 06:11
Ooooookay back on topic - if you want something "out there" and showy, have you considered the pieces written by Scott McAllister? Bob Spring has some great recordings of "Freebirds" and "Black Dog". Basically arrangements of Classic Rock n Roll written for clarinet(s). Fun, but definitely out there.
Also, I played an arrangement of the Carmen Fantaisie written by Sarasate and further arranged for clarinet by Nicolas Baldeyrou. The only place you can order it is from the publisher in France - Clarinet-Edition.fr It was a really fun, and any advanced player can pull it off, I'm sure. Hope these help!
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Author: clarinetguy ★2017
Date: 2013-05-31 11:27
I can think of a few pieces:
Joseph Horovitz, Sonatina The 3rd movement is difficult, but a lot of fun to play with a jazzy feel.
Aaron Copland, Sonata (the transcription of his violin sonata) I think Copland wrote his best music between the late 30s and early 50s, and this is from that period. His concerto, from the late 40s, is another great piece, and you could also call it "fun" music.
Darius Milhaud, Duo Concertant Features some very catchy tunes
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Author: Jack Kissinger
Date: 2013-05-31 11:43
An off-duty army officer (probably a 2nd lieutenant) is in a civilian bar having a few drinks after a hard day in the field. There's a jukebox in the bar and he wants to play some music but he realizes he doesn't have any change. Looking around, he spots a couple of the enlisted men in his platoon. He walks over to their table and asks if either of them might have change for a dollar. One responds casually, "Sure, buddy." and both proceed to rifle through their pockets looking for change. The officer (now that I think of it, definitely a second lieutenant) gets himself up in a huff. "Is that any way to respond to an officer? Where's your training? Let's try that again and, this time, I expect you to do it right. Do either of you gentlemen have change for a dollar?" Both men snap to attention and shout out in unison, "SIR! NO SIR!"
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Author: Ken Shaw ★2017
Date: 2013-05-31 12:18
In my Army experience, 1st louies were more obnoxious than 2nds, and majors and light colonels who had been passed over for promotion were the worst, with the possible exception of stalled 1-star generals.
Ken Shaw
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Author: Taras12
Date: 2013-06-01 00:38
Ken Shaw wrote:
> In my Army experience, 1st louies were more obnoxious than
> 2nds, and majors and light colonels who had been passed over
> for promotion were the worst, with the possible exception of
> stalled 1-star generals.
>
> Ken Shaw
Hold on there....I resemble that remark...Lt. Col. (ret.) USAF MC
(and proud of it!!!!)
Tristan
Post Edited (2013-06-01 00:40)
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Author: Claire Annette
Date: 2013-06-05 12:45
So many personalities on this board, as there are "out there" in the world of music performance.
No problem with asking questions here. I learned from this thread about music I'd like to look into. Cool!
Now, Jay, if you bothered taking your personal battle to Twitter (with the aid of a friend to help you, apparently), why did you need to add to the snarkiness here? I guarantee you this: if you are sensitive about what you perceived to be an offensive tone in this thread, you're in for a wild ride throughout your musical studies and career. Better to channel that sensitivity into musical interpretation as you play.
I wish you all the best!
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