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 A-flat arpeggio a la Klose'
Author: glennsnoise 
Date:   2013-03-29 13:31

Arpeggios in the Klose book are as follows:
root-3rd-5th-root
3rd-5th-root-3rd
5th-root-3rd-5th
For A-flat major and A-flat minor, is there an better way to switch from middle Ab down to B or C, other than pinky hopping?

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 Re: A-flat arpeggio a la Klose'
Author: Tobin 
Date:   2013-03-29 13:51

Not sure what you mean by "middle" Ab.

If you mean [Ab5] to [Eb5] to [C5], then you have to go Left - Right - Left.

The same finger pattern for [Ab5] to [Eb5] to [B5].

And both are true up and down.

The only exception is if you have a LH Eb lever, then you have a choice about the fingerings.

James

Gnothi Seauton

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 Re: A-flat arpeggio a la Klose'
Author: glennsnoise 
Date:   2013-03-29 13:56

Your G#/Ab is in the right octave, but I meant to specify that the C/B is an octave lower. So, if you're going from:

Ab/G# (on top of staff)
to
C or B (middle of staff)
to
Eb (top space of staff)

how do you negotiate your pinkies?

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 Re: A-flat arpeggio a la Klose'
Author: Tobin 
Date:   2013-03-29 14:20

[Ab5] to [B4] to [Eb5]

This would require "double move" or a slide/articulation. What is the rhythm you're trying to execute? If it's eighth notes at a moderato (or slower) then I would:
Left -- Right Left -- Right.

Otherwise you have to: Left -- Right (tongue) Right.

OR

Left (tongue) Left -- Right

James

Gnothi Seauton

Post Edited (2013-03-29 14:22)

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 Re: A-flat arpeggio a la Klose'
Author: Ken Shaw 2017
Date:   2013-03-29 14:45

Yeah, that pattern is nasty. It puts you in a "you can't get there from here" position. There's no solution except to learn to jump and slide your little fingers around. This is not a sin, but an essential skill. Bassoonists have like 50 keys for the left thumb, and they manage fine. String players have only four fingers and learn to slide as a matter of course.

Ken Shaw

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 Re: A-flat arpeggio a la Klose'
Author: Liquorice 
Date:   2013-03-29 15:17

You could also use the fork fingering for A-flat:

T XXO XXO

It takes a bit of special voicing, but works well enough in fairly fast arpeggio patterns.

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 Re: A-flat arpeggio a la Klose'
Author: sfalexi 
Date:   2013-03-29 16:02

This is where the oft mentioned trick (by ken shaw is where I remember it) of taking your pinky and rubbing the crease of your nose helps. The natural oils where you nose meets your face can help facilitate slides.

Or having nickel played keys which are a little more slippery can help.

Be careful, the combination of the nose trick and nickel plates keys may cause your hand to comically slide completely off the clarinet in a cartoon like manner causing you to hit the person to your right, who caught off guard hits another, and cause a chain reaction leading to the implosion of the rehearsal space with you stating in an urkel-like tone, "Did I do that?"

Alexi

US Army Japan Band

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 Re: A-flat arpeggio a la Klose'
Author: kdk 
Date:   2013-03-29 16:08

Fortunately, the slide from Ab/G#5 to LH C5 isn't impossible, just a little awkward. If you're asking specifically in terms of the Klose arpeggios, I'd say to just practice it as a slide in order to make it part of your technique. There are times when it's the most straightforward solution to a real-music problem.

Karl

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 Re: A-flat arpeggio a la Klose'
Author: glennsnoise 
Date:   2013-03-29 17:10

I'll try all of the solutions. I used to study many years ago, and am in the process of getting it all back together. I couldn't remember how this obstacle had been overcome in the past. You have all been very helpful. Thanks.

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 Re: A-flat arpeggio a la Klose'
Author: donald 
Date:   2013-03-29 19:20

I'd use the fork fingering mentioned above

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 Re: A-flat arpeggio a la Klose'
Author: Buster 
Date:   2013-03-30 02:14

Isn't it Cb in Ab minor, not B natural?

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