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Author: janlynn
Date: 2012-11-14 15:27
Can a piece have pick up notes without the rest of the beats at the end?
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Author: David Spiegelthal ★2017
Date: 2012-11-14 16:51
In 49 states of the US, yes, but in California incomplete measures have been determined to cause cancer and are therefore banned.
See, it wasn't such a dumb question after all, was it?
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Author: J Cohen
Date: 2012-11-14 17:54
Yes, but there is a 7% tax on each printed part per performance.
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Author: Paul Aviles
Date: 2012-11-14 18:15
Seriously though, I heard something about that years ago. There IS some symmetry thingy (of the Baroque?) that necessitates having to make up for what is not present in the beginning.
The only stupid question is.......... "What's the best mouthpiece?"
...............Paul Aviles
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Author: davyd
Date: 2012-11-14 19:29
You can haz pickup notes without the rest of the notes at the end. But you'll have to coordinate that with Finale: change the time signature of the last bar, hide it, etc --- you might as well put in the necessary rests and have done with it.
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Author: tictactux ★2017
Date: 2012-11-14 20:29
Never heard of pickup notes, we only use pickup lines here.
- hey, has someone already told you what a great tone you have?
- No...but thanks!
- Ever wondered why?
![[tongue]](http://test.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/smileys/smilie6.gif)
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Ben
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Author: David Spiegelthal ★2017
Date: 2012-11-14 21:30
Shame on you, Ben! You're a married man! You have no business hanging around clarinet bars trying to pick up female clarinetists (especially with lines like those, you REALLY need some better material -- may I suggest Rodney Dangerfield for some inspiration?).
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Author: tictactux ★2017
Date: 2012-11-14 21:54
My business as a married man is not to abstain from visiting clarinet hangouts but rather to resist the temptation of a new, uhm, duet.
:-)
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Ben
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Author: kdk
Date: 2012-11-14 21:57
Paul Aviles wrote:
> Seriously though, I heard something about that years ago.
> There IS some symmetry thingy (of the Baroque?) that
> necessitates having to make up for what is not present in the
> beginning.
>
If the end needs to dovetail for any reason with the beginning, it's necessary to have the end fit an opening pickup (incomplete measure), for instance at the end of the trio of a minuet or other ABA form or the end of a binary form that repeats. The custom of balancing the beginning and the end would have started from this kind of formal issue. Publishers now are fairly causal about it - I've seen lots of student material where the pick-up "fits" with the last measure, but it isn't hard to find music that fills in the last measure with rests regardless of an incomplete first bar.
No one hears the difference - if there's no connection issue, it's a strictly visual element of music engraving.
Karl
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Author: janlynn
Date: 2012-11-15 12:47
just to get back on track...... tho all the comments are good fun
these are beginner students who have been taught to look for the rest of the notes at the end of the piece and then they come across a piece without and asked me where the rest of the notes are.
one piece was londonderry air. the other simple gifts with the two 8th pick up notes.
i wanted to make sure i gave them the correct answer.
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Author: CarlT
Date: 2012-11-15 13:17
Paul's signature statement:
The only stupid question is.......... "What's the best mouthpiece?"
Okay, then I'll ask: What's the best reed?
(Carl ducking) Only kidding, only kidding!!!!
CarlT
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Author: clarnibass
Date: 2012-11-15 14:01
I use a pickup, part of the time there are beats and I rest sometimes before or after.
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Author: Lelia Loban ★2017
Date: 2012-11-15 17:24
When I start a piece (or a movement) with pickup notes, I begin with a full bar, not just the pickups, and I start that bar with the notation for silent beats. If I end with a bang, on the first beat of the last bar (for instance, I ask the musicians for a fermata on a whole note in the second to last bar, and then I want a big accented "whomp!" on the same note to finish up), then I write in the silent beats to finish off that final bar.
But I do it that way because it's the easiest way to notate in Sibelius. I don't think composers follow a rigid rule about that sort of thing any more than choreographers do. Think of Bob Fosse starting his dancers with, "Five six seven eight!" His "One two three four" got lost in the cosmos and nobody cared.
Lelia
http://www.scoreexchange.com/profiles/Lelia_Loban
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