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Author: shuaiclar
Date: 2012-09-15 19:10
Does anyone experience a difference between nickel and silver plated Bonades? Both are offered by Muncy Winds for standard and inverted Bonades, and I am a little curious.
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Author: kilo
Date: 2012-09-15 19:26
For one thing, the choice allows you to match the finish of your keywork.
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Author: NBeaty
Date: 2012-09-15 20:10
They're cheap- buy both and see what they feel like.
FWIW: I find the silver has a bit more brilliance, but both are good ligatures when they are properly shaped to the mouthpiece.
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Author: Lorenzo_M
Date: 2012-09-16 05:30
buy them both and let me know
I recently decided to buy one from the local store, and once adjusted...I think they are still the best ligatures. And cheap too.
I swore off these for a long time, and have purchased many higher-priced variations on these, but the good 'ol $20 bonade inverted I picked up Randomly plays as well or better than anything else I own.
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Author: A Brady
Date: 2012-09-16 15:55
These are marvelous when properly adjusted so that only the rails contact the reed. Muncy offers these with this critical adjustment, and the silver plate will not slip on the mouthpiece, as the nickel unfortunately tends to do as it is tightened. I have been using the silver-plated inverted cut-out model for several years now with excellent results.
AB
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Author: Bob Bernardo
Date: 2012-09-19 08:58
For whatever reason I like the inverted chrome. I also gut out part of the supports to lighten the weight. Since the mouthpiece vibrates well the ligature should too, so taking off material will lighten the weight and the mouthpiece will vibrate better.
Don't yell at me! I know a lot of people like the heavier feel and thats fine. Rubber, cloth, even string. I've done several blind fold test and I picked mine every time. I would suggest that every clarinetist take a test like this and see what others like best.
I also do this with the Mitchell Lurie ligatures. Gut gut everything you can!
Designer of - Vintage 1940 Cicero Mouthpieces and the La Vecchia mouthpieces
Yamaha Artist 2015
Post Edited (2012-09-19 09:02)
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Author: Lorenzo_M
Date: 2012-09-19 09:17
Bob, do you cut out part of the middle part? Like this: http://www.muncywinds.com/index.php/catalog/product/gallery/id/1720/image/2344/
I know a few people who did that (including me). Really does make the ligature even more responsive.
I prefer it with the middle uncut, cause I like the extra resistance (even if it's just slightly more).
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Author: DrewSorensenMusic
Date: 2012-09-19 15:56
The difference of nickel vs silver plated ligature should offer the same difference as nickel or silver plated keywork. I don't believe it effects the sound, and there is science to back that opinion up somewhere. Some people believe it does, and I'd support them too, cause I'm no scientist.
Drew S.
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Author: Bob Bernardo
Date: 2012-09-20 09:40
Hi Lorenzo_M,
I actually cut out more from that site you sent. You surely have the right idea of what I do.
I thin down the posts and also thin down the over sized screws. If interested in what mine look like send an email and I'll send a picture of the worlds ugliest ligature! Best regards Lorenzo
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Author: dream62
Date: 2012-09-20 09:54
This topic it's splitting hairs art !
Hilarious even ! thank's
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Author: Bob Bernardo
Date: 2012-09-20 23:40
Yes it's splitting hairs, but I do and others do whatever it takes to take advantage of better playing. So yes I totally agree it's splitting hairs and sometime playing just a very, very tiny bet better helps make clarinet playing a tad more fun!
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Author: dream62
Date: 2012-09-21 14:26
'better' is the enemy of 'good enough' !
Concerning this topic
The differences are imperceptible for common mortals, not a regular work !
Everything is there, to make you forget, what is truly essential.
it's a stop-gap !
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Author: Lorenzo_M
Date: 2012-09-21 15:06
Personally, I'd always strive for better than to settle for good enough
But the differences are indeed subtle. In fact, I usually tell people not to worry about it until subtlety makes a big difference....lol.
I still really do prefer the sound of my bonade when adjusted....but most of the time, I just use my vandoren optimum. It's just more convenient and predictable...
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Author: dream62
Date: 2012-09-21 16:07
Believe me , if you want Lorenzo
I am always inclined to say something is just "in the head"
This just allows to reassure you ! If you think it'll be better for you , in this case, no more excuse !
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Author: Lorenzo_M
Date: 2012-09-21 18:15
who said anything about making excuses?
Anyway, we should all use the standard ligature, rico orange box, and the buffet stock mouthpieces that come with our clarinets. They are good enough
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Author: dream62
Date: 2012-09-22 07:49
There are also the essential without the necessary.
The most compelling argument is that it is entirely unnecessary!
Do you know the Maslow pyramid ?
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Author: Bob Bernardo
Date: 2012-09-22 08:47
Lorenzo_M
I took your advice and ordered 14 boxes of Rico 1 strength reeds. I also found in my stack of mouthpieces a chipped buffet mouthpiece. The tip is chipped but the rest of it looks OK.
I went to the auto parts store today and bought one of those water hose clamps and it works great for a ligature.
I'll keep everyone posted with the results.
I'm auditioning for the NY Met Orchestra Monday. Wish me luck. Oh, there's no opening, I'm just showing up for the heck of it. I'm playing Rhapsody in Blue backwards.
Designer of - Vintage 1940 Cicero Mouthpieces and the La Vecchia mouthpieces
Yamaha Artist 2015
Post Edited (2012-09-22 09:34)
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Author: Lorenzo_M
Date: 2012-09-22 15:56
Good luck! Now you have NO excuses. I fully expect you to win that position, now that you're investing so little on equipment and practicing. I also suggest you use a clear Buffet B12. Transparency in auditions is critical.
Even if no positions are open, I expect them to make a new one just for you
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Author: Bob Bernardo
Date: 2012-09-22 20:48
Lorenzo_M
you are cracking me up...
I forgot - I'm thinking about using those colored pink marching band instruments or that metal clarinet I found at a garage sale last week. It was converted into a lamp. I think I can remove the lamp head and put on that chipped buffet MP.
What do you think I should do?
If I can find a clear B-12 at tomorrows swap meet sales I'll pick one up.
Thank for your kind suggestions and of course your reed selections. I owe you one!
Hmmm, I wonder if the head of the board will delete our posts?
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Author: Lorenzo_M
Date: 2012-09-23 05:15
I don't know if using a lamp-quality metal clarinet would be a good idea. It might have too much of a bright tone. Well, if you play it unplugged that might darken the sound enough...
Anyway, back to reality. I've had a bit too much fun here...
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