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Author: MissMaquiRenee
Date: 2012-09-06 01:04
I have a Marigaux Clarinet but I have no idea the model and I want to know what it is worth. All it says on the barrel, upper joint and bell is Marigux, Paris, France. Anyone have any idea what its model is...
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Author: dream62
Date: 2012-09-06 05:33
hi
How is the shape bell ? ( resembling to the oboe bell)
Are there roll between the c/ D# keys to the right hand ?
Are there metal rings on the tenons ?
Regards
jm
ps: Concerning the Marigaux range
Marigaux models for 2002:
Marigaux clarinet 200, (S-200) Standard model, Bb, nickel-plated keys
Marigaux clarinet 201, (S-200) Standard model, Bb, silver-plated keys
Marigaux clarinet 300, (S-300), Professional model, Bb, nickel-plated keys
Marigaux clarinet 301, (S-301), Professional model, Bb, silver -plated keys
Marigaux 351 Clarinet "R(oland) S(imoncini)" Symphonie, top of the line, in the key of Bb
Marigaux 352 Clarinet "RS" Symphonie, top of the line, in the key of A
With or without roll keys
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2012-09-06 11:11
The Marigaux 200 and 201 clarinets were also stencilled for Howarth in the '80s and '90s as their student level wooden clarinet and were in the same price range as the Buffet E11, Yamaha YCL-34II and Noblet Artist. The Howarth pro models (S1, S2 and S3) were made by Howarth themselves.
And now I know who the R.S. in "R.S. Symphonie" is!
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: dream62
Date: 2012-09-06 15:32
This one the rs was elaborated by Roland Simoncini ( first clarinet to Radio France orchestra) to the Yves Rilba ( Marigaux Chief Executive Officer) request.
Before R.S.have playedn during 15 years the bc 20 and after the Selmer 10s then the Recital.
The rs symphonie has been developed with 3 mouthpieces:
Vandoren b40/ b45 and b45 point
The use to the short barrel requesting use a biggest reed than a long barrel( primarily in the United States and your tuning fork)
This clarinet is not meant for all hands! it's a professional instrument requiring adaptation, especially if you come any other brand .The keywork is special ( spatula right hand; left hand low norte key cluster positioned closer together enabling more accurate little finger contact and finally, the register key redesigned, allowing more comfortable thumb mouvement
The rollers idea is not new ; In fact, this principle already existed back in early 20century from Couesnon.
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Author: Bill
Date: 2012-09-06 17:25
Didn't know Mariguax was still making clarinets! I have an SML/Marigaux from the 1950s that I love.
Bill Fogle
Ellsworth, Maine
(formerly Washington, DC)
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2012-09-06 18:02
Marigaux haven't made clarinets for a while now.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: dream62
Date: 2012-09-06 21:06
The last clarinet emerged from the Marigaux workship in 2003.
It is with regret again at home !
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Author: David Spiegelthal ★2017
Date: 2012-09-07 15:18
Years ago the Woodwind & Brasswind mail-order house had a one-time sale on a batch of Marigaux S200 clarinets. The price was so good that I bought one, and liked it far better than the 'teacher-selected' Buffet R-13 I had been struggling with. So I sold the Buffet for twice what I paid for the new Marigaux, and never looked back. I wish Marigaux still made clarinets.
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2012-09-07 15:25
The biggest problem with Marigaux clarinets was the popularity of Buffets.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: tictactux ★2017
Date: 2012-09-07 15:34
Just to spur your envy a bit - this pair of Marigauxes was not much more expensive than what I paid for the Leblanc/Backup double pouchette case, although the latter was on sale.
Amazing what you can find in the internets these days.
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Ben
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2012-09-07 15:56
A while back you sent me a link to an RS Symphonie A clarinet that was going for a considerably low sum - around the same price as a new B12 or maybe even less.
So there are bargains to be found out there. Shows that the general clarinet-buying public are very suspicious of anything that isn't Buffet and the price comes right down.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: dream62
Date: 2012-09-07 17:31
It's common to Leblanc France.
Buffet shades in its market !
In 2009, scotto musique to Paris had sold the final stock from Marigaux with others things severals new Rs symphony for as little as € 800.
The c352 with rollers costing € 1658 .
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Author: SteveG_CT
Date: 2012-09-07 18:11
Chris P wrote:
> So there are bargains to be found out there. Shows that the
> general clarinet-buying public are very suspicious of anything
> that isn't Buffet and the price comes right down.
>
Indeed. I'm still kincking myself for passing on a pristine Symphonie RS that I had a chance to buy for $1000 a while back. It was an excellent deal but I just didn't have the money to spare at the time.
I'm not sure whether the market is poor for non-Buffet clarinets or if the market for Buffet clarinets is just really inflated. It's puzzling that Buffet clarinets that have been beat to hell and need complete overhauls just to be playable still frequently sell for twice the price of clarinets from other makers that are in much better condition.
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2012-09-07 18:23
It's a case of following the herd and not wanting to be different. Some people (ie. Buffet players) find it odd that I play Selmers!
I've also noticed the LH touchpiece shapes on the R.S. Symphonie have been incorporated in the keywork shapes of the Marigaux 2000 and M2 oboes, so at least something of the legacy of these clarinets lives on elsewhere.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: David Spiegelthal ★2017
Date: 2012-09-07 18:32
It's very simple. The merciless hit men of the Buffet Mafia will brutally break the reeds of anyone playing competitors' instruments.
The only way I've found to get away with playing non-Buffet clarinets is to use unbreakable reeds made of heterogeneous quasi-fibrous unobtainium (HQFU), the strongest reed material known to man. It sounds awful and feels terrible, but at least the Buffet goons can't break the stuff, which is why I use it. It's a pricey material too, but still cheaper in the end then paying Buffet's outrageously inflated (and always increasing) instrument prices.
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2012-09-07 18:46
Although I do own four Buffet clarinets, I never paid full whack for them - my bass was bought when the exchange rate was in my favour as was my basset horn (plus the staff discount on both of them). My old Eb was bought off eBay in a very poor state of neglect and was rebuilt and an old full Boehm Bb was bought for a very reasonable sum, but I've used that for carrying out experiments on. And I own a Buffet RC French system bassoon.
I rebuilt a pair of older Marigaux pro clarinets over a year ago and the owner to my knowledge is very pleased with them. But if anything, I see more Marigaux oboes than I do clarinets and my cor anglais is a Marigaux 930 which I chose over a Howarth S5, Loree and Rigoutat back in 1998 as it was the clearest and most free-blowing of them all. My d'amore is a German model (fully auto 8ves, etc) Marigaux from 1979.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: tictactux ★2017
Date: 2012-09-07 19:15
For what it's worth, I bought one of these RSes from Richard Scotto at Quintette back then on 29 May 2007. Richard was kind enough to play-and-mail (mp3) the clarinet for me before shipping, because all I've seen from it were some pictures.
570 Euros, I still have the receipt...
--
Ben
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Author: Wes
Date: 2012-09-07 23:04
In Minneapolis in the late 40s, Earl Handlon of the Minneapolis Symphony imported and sold a lot of Marigaux clarinets at good prices and they seemed quite fine. He played Buffets in the orchestra, however.
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Author: MissMaquiRenee
Date: 2012-09-08 03:08
I am quite sure mine is quite old. It does not have roll keys, but I shall attach a photo when i get one. Any idea what it is worth?
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Author: dream62
Date: 2012-09-09 19:26
A priori s200
In so far as i can' t see no the keywork no the clarinet itself
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Author: John Peacock
Date: 2012-09-09 20:59
I have a Marigaux from 1950, which looks similar to the ones shown by tictactux above. Both are labelled "made by SML", with Marigaux above. I believe the name was used to denote SML's top-of-the-range model. It's a really nice instrument, although it was a bit or a wreck when I bought it - for 100 Euro. Since yours lacks SML on the label, I wonder if it could date to before that company formed (1935). Something of that age would probably be considered less valuable than a post-war instrument, so even if it's in good condition, I wouldn't get your hopes up for a high price. How does it play? My Marigaux has less good tuning than a modern Buffet.
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Author: MissMaquiRenee
Date: 2012-09-11 02:39
Plays very well, though the alternate C key has to be reset once in a while, but the keys are basic, no rollers or extra flare to them. I got it for $600 (discounted because I knew the seller)
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