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Author: DAVE
Date: 2012-05-08 19:27
Hey guys,
I want to get a mouthpiece combo that will peel the paint off the walls and send people running for cover. I get a great tone now on my Backun but I really want something awfully loud and need some suggestions. I just moved to a small Army Band and I want to be HEARD! Tone quality be damned; projection is all I want. Any mouthpiece/reed/ligature combo will be considered. After I settle on something I'll upload a video and hopefully it will blow your speakers!
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Author: Ken Shaw ★2017
Date: 2012-05-08 19:43
I used to play a Stowell-Wells-Schneider C3, which was louder than any 10 other people could play. The tone left something to be desired, though.
Without changing your equipment, the swab-up-the-bell exercise will at least double your volume:
Stuff a cotton swab up the bell, finger middle B (with the register key open), take plenty of mouthpiece, loosen your embouchure and blow like the wind. You'll get a weak 4th space Eb. Blow harder and harder until you get a decent volume.
Then find the Bb above. You do this by raising the back of your tongue and lowering the tip, lowering your jaw slightly and raising your soft palate. It's easier to do than to describe.
Then find the Eb, G and Bb and play bugle calls.
When you pull the swab out and play, you'll suddenly find that you're much, much louder than before. This comes from using less embouchure pressure and more air. By doing the exercise many times, you'll get the feel of opening up and letting go.
If that's not enough, there's always http://www.shopatron.com/products/productdetail/part_number=AMTWS/3132.0?utm_source=google&utm_medium=shopping&utm_campaign=googleshopping&os=googleshopping. ![[grin]](http://test.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/smileys/smilie5.gif)
Ken Shaw
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Author: DAVE
Date: 2012-05-08 19:52
No mics allowed. This is for outdoor playing. I already can play plenty loud... a normal fff, but I'm looking for something more.
There used to be these things you could put in the baffle, but I don't know if they work or are available anymore...
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Author: SteveG_CT
Date: 2012-05-08 20:00
DAVE wrote:
>I just moved to a small Army Band
> and I want to be HEARD! Tone quality be damned; projection is
> all I want. Any mouthpiece/reed/ligature combo will be
> considered. After I settle on something I'll upload a video
> and hopefully it will blow your speakers!
Get thee a barrel with a mic pickup.
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Author: Ken Shaw ★2017
Date: 2012-05-08 20:00
Runyon makes spoilers http://www.runyonproducts.com/spoiler.html. Nobody will like your sound when you use one -- not even you.
What's the diffrence between a buzz saw and a trombone? You can at least try to control the volume on a buzz saw.
What's the difference between a trombone and a clarinet with a spoiler mouthpiece? You have at least a little hearing left after hearing a trombone.
Ken Shaw
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Author: TianL
Date: 2012-05-08 20:21
the kaspars i played are all pretty loud. also i remember trying the morgan once and that was bright and loud. you can also go for wide tip openings.
one last suggestion is that backun clarinet/products don't really give a very ringing sound (of course this is my opinion). it's very dark but not ringing to my ears. if you play outside you can try some other clarinets that might get you more projection.
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Author: Randall
Date: 2012-05-08 21:07
A John Pierce mp will do the trick. Very free blowing with a nice tone, and very loud. RC
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Author: mvjohnso
Date: 2012-05-08 22:22
More open mouthpiece, smaller reed, least constricted ligature that you can find (rubber bands will do the trick, but a paper clip like lig with very little contact points is good too). Also, get yourself a metal clarinet.
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Author: Paul Aviles
Date: 2012-05-08 22:47
Since I may have the opportunity to serve with you I'd strongly recommend against this emphasis.
Actually you speak of two different things. You want sheer volume AND you ask about a 'cutting' sort of sound as well. I think if you strive for a goodly amount of overtones in your sound, the projection will come without having to amp up volume. For this you'd be better served by looking for a set up that is EASY to control (medium open at the most). Something like a Vandoren M13 should be fine for all purpose playing.
You can maximize your volume by utilizing your air column most efficiently. Focus the airstream to make it as fast as possible ....... think an "EEE" sound with your tongue rather than "AHHH" (where the back of the tongue in this sound actually blocks the flow of air exiting your throat). And ensure that you are PUSHING the air out (stomach OUT, using your abs to press the air out).
Again, don't get too obnoxious............we may see each other some day.
.....................Paul Aviles
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Author: Arnoldstang
Date: 2012-05-09 02:10
Try Jody Jazz with synthetic reed...Legere...and Vandoren optimum lig.
Freelance woodwind performer
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Author: Bob Bernardo
Date: 2012-05-09 02:13
Build up the baffle. Use modeling clay for experimenting. Add the clay behind the tip of the mouthpiece. If you squeek remove some or move the clay further back from the tip.
I'm not in favor of this because it will effect your sound, but if you want to be heard this will work.
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Author: clairmusic
Date: 2012-05-09 02:40
Try a Behn mpc. He make great mpc. He also customizes and does refacing. His mpc play with ease, have a great response. And awsome power. He was an old instrucor of mine. You can e mail or call him tell what your looking for and I am sure he'll be able to help you with your needs. Gd luck! Behn international mouthpieces.
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Author: sfalexi
Date: 2012-05-09 02:48
Just practice playing loud. I bought a decibel meter and placed it on the stand and tried to make sure i could be at or above 100 decibels in all the lower notes, and tried to push 110 or higher for clarion and higher. All long tones. Don't know how well i'm heard above the trumpets, trombones, and saxes while marching, but i feel like i have a much better shot now.
I wouldnt worry too much about it. In reality, Army marching band is probably about 80% show, 20% music as far as the audience is considered. They want to see people in fancy uniforms with shiny instruments. Our clarinet music fluff is FAR from their minds.
Alexi
US Army Japan Band
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2012-05-09 10:24
Soprano sax.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: Alseg
Date: 2012-05-09 13:16
Marshall amplifiers, ribbon mics.
But seriously......
OK, build up baffle or Omar's power barrel as mentioned.
OR......add an X-bore barrel. I will not describe it here, but contact me for details.
disclaimer.....I make X bore barrels on custom order for discerning thermonuclear clarinet playahs(sic)
Former creator of CUSTOM CLARINET TUNING BARRELS by DR. ALLAN SEGAL
-Where the Sound Matters Most(tm)-
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Author: DAVE
Date: 2012-05-09 13:26
Much of what I said was a little tongue in cheek, so relax... Anyway, I'll look into the power barrel and probably end up going with a plain old Vandoren. I'll have a look at a Jody Jazz mp too.
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Author: Alseg
Date: 2012-05-09 15:59
YES, Dave!!!.....Now that I think of it, according to the Helmholz equations, you WOULD get more sound with your tongue planted in your cheek.
Dave? What are you doing, Dave?
Daisy Daisy give me..............
Former creator of CUSTOM CLARINET TUNING BARRELS by DR. ALLAN SEGAL
-Where the Sound Matters Most(tm)-
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Author: Arnoldstang
Date: 2012-05-09 16:34
The biggest issue in a loud situation is hearing yourself. Put an earplug in one ear and this will block out some of the other beautiful music being made. You might also rig up a small mic and a ear phone to hear yourself. With all this you are listening to details of your playing and not just trying to be the loudest player in the group. I do think that there is a natural tendency for many people to be the center of attention. Although my suggestions fall into this category in one respect at least you won't desensitize your playing.
Freelance woodwind performer
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Author: William
Date: 2012-05-09 22:19
The loudest mouthpiece I own is an old Stowell--not much for tone quality, but unsurpassed for "quantity".
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Author: Buster
Date: 2012-05-09 22:54
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZjL59T9CM4
If you don't care about making friends, buy yourself a Beechler 9s, a Rico PlastiCover 2, bite the crap out of it and blow your brains out.
You won't be liked, but will be heard 3 blocks away.
¡A huevo cabrones!
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-Jason
Post Edited (2012-05-09 23:03)
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