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Author: Ken Shaw ★2017
Date: 2012-03-25 17:31
David -
Fascinating, with very thoughtful comments from players at the top of the profession.
One thing that wasn't mentioned was that when you're the 3,000 pound gorilla [think Morales] who can squash the competition, you do as you please.
I'm sure he had excellent reasons for turning down New York (and Chicago before that), but probably only he was good enough to be able to do it and avoid professional disaster.
Finally, the orchestras are hardly blameless. Cleveland kept a principal oboist on probation for two years and then let her go. One conductor (I can't remember which) was presented with a series of highly qualified audition winners in several sections but couldn't make up his mind.
Ken Shaw
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Author: 2E
Date: 2012-03-26 00:20
Very very interesting article! The change of perspective really does shed light on the whole situation from the other side of the screen.
I completely agree with the writer, if you audition you should want to take the job.
Of course there are always un-forseen circumstances though.
2E
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Author: kdk
Date: 2012-03-26 01:07
2E wrote:
> Of course there are always un-forseen circumstances though.
>
Well, yes, unforeseen, but also perhaps it's a matter of what order things get discussed in. I'm assuming (maybe mistakenly) that much of the interest here in this topic is really focused on Ricardo Morales. In his case, if (as has been suggested in another thread and is a matter of gossip her in the Philadelphia area) his wife's not having been offered a job in the NYP had anything to do with his decision, at what point would that discussion have taken place? I remember when the Philharmonic first announced that Morales had won the audition and was being offered the job, it was, I believe, explicitly stated in the announcement that his acceptance of the offer was contingent on further negotiation. Presumably, two big topics were salary and perks. But if another was getting a job in the orchestra for his wife (who is no slouch - she is a Philadelphia Orchestra violinist) so they wouldn't be working in separate cities and orchestras, when would that have even come up? I wouldn't think it could have been brought up before the audition result was announced.
Besides, the appointment was said to be be provisional for a year. Philadelphia was not going to be able even to hold auditions for his replacement until after Morales announced his decision, which apparently was his to make from the point at which the audition result was announced.
I don't know what the circumstances were in the cases of the trombonists that are being discussed in the Trombone Forum, but I think this (and a similar situation that developed when Burt Hara took a provisional appointment as Philadelphia's principal and then left to return to Minneapolis after one season) is a situation that was apparently covered by formal agreements and was within the scope of possibilities that the parties involved knew existed from the start.
Karl
Post Edited (2012-03-26 01:09)
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Author: Paul Aviles
Date: 2012-03-26 02:52
Ya know, much was made of the "behind the scenes, personal issues that we as onlookers will NEVER know," in the Morales debacle. If it really came down to negotiating an opening for a spouse........I revert back to being appalled. Why should ONE advertised opening be an invitation to walk all over the orchestral management, each individual current member AND the AF of M ??!!??
Appalling!
NO excuses !!!!!!!!
I will add further that like normal situations of this kind, a spouse would dutifully find employment of SOME type in the area and perhaps HOPE for a future opening in the same ensemble but only as a PIE-IN-SKY ideal, not as a precondition to the initial spouse's offer. Think about it people.....NOBODY else does this !!!!!!
..................Paul Aviles
Post Edited (2012-03-26 02:58)
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Author: Dileep Gangolli
Date: 2012-03-27 22:51
No matter how good you are, it's not really a choice until you are offered the position.
Then, the fortunate candidate has to consider all the factors that go into accepting or declining the position. Those, for some, go well beyond money but include lifestyle and family issues.
And the candidate offered the position should be allowed to negotiate whatever he/she can get.
But until there is a real choice, the question of whether one would take the position if offered is really irrelevant.
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