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Author: Scoti
Date: 2012-03-02 02:30
Hello,
Has anyone had any experience with Luis Rossi's Viennese model clarinet? Just wondering what it sounds like compared to the English model. Thanks!
Scott
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Author: kenb
Date: 2012-03-02 05:20
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXmc4u69N9k
According to the Rossi website, Luis Rossi uses the Viennese model for his concerts and recordings.
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Author: Jeroen
Date: 2012-03-02 13:35
My orchestral partner uses a pair of them. They play gourgeous and sound really great: a big rich tone with a lot of nice overtones. However intonation is horrible. Could be the player, the instruments or a mouthpiece mismatch. Be careful with that.
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Author: Tobin
Date: 2012-03-02 15:18
I haven't played the English or Viennese model.
I can say, as far as intonation goes, that Rossi's clarinets are just not like Buffets at all. In learning to play my French bore Bb I there was a lot of adjustment that took place -- and a great deal of it was learning to NOT do things to adjust. There are certainly places in which I have to make adjustments that I never had to on my R13's as well.
James
Gnothi Seauton
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Author: Bill Patry
Date: 2012-03-02 17:45
I have a lovely Rossi C that is the best C that I (and everyone else who has tried it) have ever heard. I once had the Viennese model. I decided though that the sound I really was after with the Viennese model was the Wurlitzer (Reform Boehm), so I bought one and it was the sound I wanted. I once had a pair of the Americans, in rosewood, and while gorgeous, the sound was, for me, too chamber like, which is probably why Mr. Rossi uses the Viennese model for his concerts.
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Author: bmcgar ★2017
Date: 2012-03-02 21:29
I owned this model in Bb, though I sold it because I preferred the sound of my A and Bb French bores, and I own a Rossi C, my second.
Contact me offline if you'd like specific information.
Bill, glad you still like that C so much! It was an extremely nice horn.
B.
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Author: clarinete09
Date: 2012-03-02 21:47
I have a Rosewood American model Rossi, and it plays beautiful, intonation is near to perfect, tone is really nice! I've never tried the vienese model. .
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Author: rmk54
Date: 2012-03-02 22:46
clarinete09 wrote:
> I have a Rosewood American model Rossi, and it plays beautiful,
> intonation is near to perfect...
You mean it automatically senses when you are playing the major third of a chord and then lowers the note 14 cents?
Wow!!!
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Author: Tobin
Date: 2012-03-02 23:36
Is there an instrument that adjusts automatically based on circumstance?
Since there isn't, Clarinete09's statement is as valid as it can be.
James
Gnothi Seauton
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Author: clarinete09
Date: 2012-03-03 02:40
rmk54 wrote:
You mean it automatically senses when you are playing the major third of a chord and then lowers the note 14 cents?
Wow!!
There is not need to be sarcastic or make fun about what I posted. I do not appreciate that.
What I meant, and I am sure you got it, is that the most of the notes are well in tune in a Rossi clarinet, with some exceptions of course as every other horn.
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Author: cigleris
Date: 2012-03-04 09:14
I haven't played a Rossi that has excellent intonation. The ones I have played sound great but suffer from poor intonation. I've played the English bore and American bore instruments and found the American bore to be a little narrow in sound for me. The English bore instruments are good and I nearly chose a pair but they really didn't feel like the old Boosey 1010 and the Eaton Elites did (as he bought the stock when they spot manufacturing). The Viennese bore as I understand it is the same as the 1010 bore but due the thicker walls produces a deep darker sound than perhaps the Rossi 1010. This sound is akin imo to the Eaton Elites.
Peter Cigleris
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Author: bmcgar ★2017
Date: 2012-03-05 03:08
Peter,
I've never known a Buffet player who can make an instant switch to a Rossi and have great intonation, esp. in the throat register.
As Tobin will tell you, they're two different instruments, and you have to learn how to play a Rossi clarinet the way it wants to be played.
This was my experience when I switched, and probably the major reason why so many Buffet players (esp. those with R13s) who spend five minutes with my clarinets say they don't like them.
B.
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Author: cigleris
Date: 2012-03-05 06:53
Bmcgar,
I'm sure that's true of Buffet players. I on the other hand am not a Buffet player, I play Eaton Elites and before Boosey and Hawkes 1010 which makes me a wide bore player. I can happily play a Rossi instrument and indeed like them but as I mentioned in my post all the ones I tried (when on the lookout for a new pair) had intonation problems inherent of the instruments. They were simply not in tune with themselves. You might be an amazing player but if the instrument your playing is not "in tune" with it's self then you've no hope hell of playing the thing in tune.
Peter Cigleris
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Author: Ken Shaw ★2017
Date: 2012-03-05 12:49
Keith Stein wrote (The Art of Clarinet Playing, p. 5), "A mouthpiece [or clarinet] which plays out of tune is worthless, no matter how well it responds."
Ken Shaw
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Author: clarnibass
Date: 2012-03-05 13:24
>> I'm sure that's true of Buffet players. <<
Not necessarily. A few (or maybe more than a few) players here changed from Buffet to Rossi and mostly without any issues.
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Author: Scoti
Date: 2012-03-06 23:56
Thanks Peter,
That is helpful. I didn't know about the thicker walls on the Viennese model, Luis didn't mention that. That may intereste me. I have the English bore, and I think heavier wall thickness would give it more of what I'm looking for.
Scott
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Author: larsha
Date: 2013-05-26 08:28
I have played Rossi, English Bore in rosewood for some ten years. A few months ago I switched to Rossi, Viennese Model in Blackwood. Both sets of clarinets are excellent. The difference in sound is that the English Bore gives a more velvet type sound and the Viennese a more silvery sound. So of course it is a matter of taste what sound you prefer. I am not sure if it is the Wood or the thickness of the walls that makes the difference, maybe both things. Another marked difference is that the English bore is so much lighter than the Viennese ones. This both on account of the difference in Wood and the difference in the walls.
I takes time to adjust to new clarinets and I have not been sure which clarinets to use, switching back and forth. After testing some month I have decied to go on with the Viennese ones.
Lars
Lars
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