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 How do I play high altissimo?
Author: BRNman 
Date:   2012-02-13 00:00

I've been trying for a while now and have gotten something near [A#6] A#.
But even that's a squeak, and not easily replicated. Are there drills or any tips for getting those high As and higher notes out?

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Author: bethmhil 
Date:   2012-02-13 00:40



BMH
Illinois State University, BME and BM Performance

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 Re: How do I play high altissimo?
Author: bethmhil 
Date:   2012-02-13 00:49

^^ Not really sure what happened above...?

First thing's first... Get some solid fingerings for everything from G to above here: http://www.wfg.woodwind.org/clarinet/cl_alt_4.html

2nd Thing: Go sloooowwwwwly.
Once you have found fingerings that work best for you and your horn, play from high C above the staff to as far up as you can in long tones (I set a metronome at quarter = 60 and just do whole notes). Doing this in long tones will help you learn the fingerings correctly, but also well help you learn how to voice the notes correctly, which is equally important.

If you do this everyday... Boom! Your range will expand ninja-fast! ;)

This helped me immensely when I had a very limited range in my first year of college, and it also works wonders for my students.

BMH
Illinois State University, BME and BM Performance

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 Re: How do I play high altissimo?
Author: johng 2017
Date:   2012-02-13 04:12

Good ideas from BMH. To that I would add playing harmonics to help with your voicing. I have my students start on a 3rd line D and see if you can higher harmonics without changing fingerings. A slight upward pressure from the right thumb can also help the process.

John Gibson, Founder of JB Linear Music, www.music4woodwinds.com

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 Re: How do I play high altissimo?
Author: MarlboroughMan 
Date:   2012-02-13 13:19

Some good related advice was given by Wes in another thread on mouthpieces--that one be able to play every note in the natural range of the instrument (from low E to double C), easily, from ppp to fff on any given note. This takes work, but the first requirement is to acknowledge this goal and seriously begin working towards mastering the full range (rather than just hoping to squeeze out certain notes for moments in the repertoire).

As a basic beginner's guide, I recommend working through the "short finger excercises" in Baermann's Second Division (ALL of them, exactly as Baermann sets them out, with all the repeats, etc). These will begin to develop not only greater familiarity with the "low altissimo" (to G), but will develop your flexibility to and in that register. After this "low altissimo" is mastered, extension to double C in a similar manner is much easier, because you have bothered to set a firm foundation.

I did a biref write up on the importance of Baermann Division 2 to proper development of the altissimo on my blog here:

http://thejazzclarinet.blogspot.com/2012/01/baermann-and-altissimo.html

There is much more beyond this, but this is an essential starting point, in my opinion.


Eric

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The Jazz Clarinet
http://thejazzclarinet.blogspot.com/

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 Re: How do I play high altissimo?
Author: BflatNH 
Date:   2012-02-13 14:19

Reed 'balancing' and ligature placement seems to make a difference to me for this. Tom Ridenour has a video somewhere where, on an open line 2 G, rotates the clarinet about 30 degrees and 'toots' then about 30 degrees the opposite way and 'toots', and compares the quality of the two tones. If one is stuffy, move the tip of the reed (on the side of the mouthpiece that was lifted from the lower lip for the stuffy toot) very slightly inward and repeat until both are good (or equally least stuffy). My upper altissimo then plays easier and more reliably. Reed adjusting may be necessary too.

On my mouthpiece and with my ligature, I seem to play better up there by moving the ligature slightly closer to the tip.

YMMV

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 Re: How do I play high altissimo?
Author: Ken Shaw 2017
Date:   2012-02-13 15:28

BRNman -

The key to secure altissimo playing is voicing the higher overtones. The best way I've found to learn to do this is the swab-in-the-bell exercise.

Stuff a cotton swab up the bell, finger middle B, take plenty of mouthpiece and blow (hard). You'll get a weak Eb5 [Eb5] . Blow harder and harder until you get a full tone. Then find the Bb above by varying your tongue, palate and jaw position. Double lip helps, or at least a lot of upper lip pressure downward on the top of the mouthpiece. Then find the Eb6 [Eb6], G6 [G6] and Bb6 [Bb6] above. Practice moving from one note to another until you can play bugle calls.

Then pull out the swab and practice the altissimo using the voicings you've learned.

Voicing is also necessary at the transition between the clarion and altissimo registers. In the slow movement of the Saint-Saens Sonata, for example, you must slur back and forth at pp between C6 [C6] and Db6 [Db6]. Proper voicing makes it possible to do this without a hesitation and "click."

It's even necessary between the chalumeau and the clarion. For example, the second and third notes of Debussy's Premiere Rhapsody are Bb4 [Bb4] and C5 [C5], and later there are repeated slurs between the two. You avoid any hesitation/click by changing the voicing.

Charles Neidich gives the following exercise: Finger the first space F4 [F4], reset your voicing and go to the corresponding clarion C [C6] without using the register key. It helps to move your lower lip toward the shoulder of the reed. Then play a slow descending chromatic scale. The voicing and lip position become more critical as you go lower, and you probably won't get beyond F5 [F5], but it's possible (as Neidich demonstrated) to reach the B4 [B4].

So - go home and practice.

Ken Shaw



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 Re: How do I play high altissimo?
Author: Bob Phillips 
Date:   2012-02-13 15:53

For me, the balanced reed, as described by BflatNH is absolutely critical. The notes won't speak if only one corner of the reed is flapping.

My Rovner ligature doesn't seem to contribute to the altissimo no matter where I place it.

I've got to get my tongue up high against my upper molars.

It takes really strong support from your diaphragm. Try to emboss your belt buckle on your belly by pressing SO HARD.

Don't be satisfied with just passing through the desired note. Be able to sustain like Bethmhil suggested. Linger on the note and make it sound sweet. If you can't do that, you're probably working with an unstable fingering --or another sort of playing problem.

With my teacher, I've worked out (mostly ;0) ) the ability to get into the altissimo without half holing (just cracking a leak under your left forefinger instead of opening the tone hole completely). That technique is often particularly helpful in leaping up to E6, and may professional symphony players do it; but a cleaner sound --particularly with the attack results by NOT half holing. (Apologies to all who are offended.)

Bethmhil's advice on picking the right fingering is important, too. From here, you can link to a pretty good fingering chart for the high altissimo (and the rest of the range). Some of the fingerings just won't work for you because off the dozens of things that make you and your clarinet different from everyone else's. Try them all and find which initiates most easily, is most stable and has the best intonation.

You'll need, too, to pay attention to the notes before and after the one you are fingering. Some fingerings work better than others depending upon where you came from and where you are going next.

Man, it takes time.

Persist.

Bob Phillips

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 Re: How do I play high altissimo?
Author: MarlboroughMan 
Date:   2012-02-13 17:34

Lot of good advice here (I particulary agree with bethmhil's long tone suggestion).

But (sorry Bob), there is one myth here that should be cleared away.

"It takes really strong support from your diaphragm. Try to emboss your belt buckle on your belly by pressing SO HARD."

This is absolutely false. A player in full control of the altissimo (who has gained flexibility, dynamic control, and articuation ability) doesn't need any more breath support to play in the altissimo than the chalumeau. Both can be done casually, without "proper" breath support. It's a matter of knowing your instrument well enough to voice properly in every situation. Proper altissimo is achieved without strain, and without forcing anything--reed, diaphram, or embouchure.

When it comes to range, breath support is a red herring.


Eric

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The Jazz Clarinet
http://thejazzclarinet.blogspot.com/

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 Re: How do I play high altissimo?
Author: bethmhil 
Date:   2012-02-13 22:39

Ken, the playing with a swab in the clarinet sounds fun! Is it similar to playing taps with the clarinet bell jammed just right into your calf? ;)

BMH
Illinois State University, BME and BM Performance

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 Re: How do I play high altissimo?
Author: Ken Shaw 2017
Date:   2012-02-13 23:00

bethmhil -

Yes, it's like playing taps. I tried it on my calf but I had to twist too far around. Also, the bottom of the bell was too big to block on my calf. A cotton swab or a large handkerchief works best, at least for me.

By the way, when you pull the swab out, you'll suddenly be playing over twice as loud as you ever could before. The exercise really increases your support and loosens your embouchure so you can put more air through the horn.

Ken Shaw

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 Re: How do I play high altissimo?
Author: BRNman 
Date:   2012-02-13 23:24

Thanks everybody. I'll try your suggestions tomorrow (when I have my clarinet).

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 Re: How do I play high altissimo?
Author: Bob Phillips 
Date:   2012-02-15 16:17

Thanks for the reminder, Marlborough. I admit to being still learning my alti; but I need to press hard all over the horn (support) it is not yet natural to me and often gets lost amongst all the other demands on my attention.

Bob Phillips

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 Re: How do I play high altissimo?
Author: MDFP 
Date:   2012-02-15 16:45

There is a good book that can help you.

ETUDE DES HARMONIQUES ET DU SURAIGU
By Joseph Marchi

http://www.sheetmusicplus.com/title/Etude-des-harmoniques-et-du-suraigu/19470367

There is a fingering chart that goes until C8.

Years ago I've worked with this book.
And now, any time I can reach G7Sol 7. With any reed, any clarinet, any mouthpiece.

You can listen it here...
Don't listen to the band :$
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deMd3cXZ5jE

MDFP

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 Re: How do I play high altissimo?
Author: MarlboroughMan 
Date:   2012-02-16 13:47

Honestly, Bob, your comment was pretty mainstream in American clarinet circles--I would have bet this was what you were taught. I've even heard respected professors of the clarinet insist that you have to have a hard reed and abs of steel to play altissimo. Unfortunately, neither is true, and it can actually ruin a player to develop crazy habits on equipment ill suited for them.

One of the geat clues to it all lies in some of the great jazz players--who can often play altissimo notes, perfectly in tune, full sounding at any dynamic, on light reeds while casually blowing. I think all serious students of the clarinet should transcribe certain Artie Shaw and Pete Fountain solos, if for no other reason than you'll be able to play Spohr 1 convincingly afterwards!

One essential thing for any player to realize is that it's not about hitting a note or two, or just "finding the right fingering." Those things are important, but flexibility, timbral consistency, dynamic control and ability to articulate are the real issues--because without those, you're not making music, just squeezing and hoping.



Eric

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The Jazz Clarinet
http://thejazzclarinet.blogspot.com/

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