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Author: clarinete09
Date: 2011-12-12 11:53
What would happen if some maker would come up with a clarinet desig with no barrel, but a longer upper joint so you would just put the mp there?
I know this may be really stupid due to intonation issues, ect.. But has someone tried to do such a thing in the past?
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Author: tictactux ★2017
Date: 2011-12-12 12:21
Where would the benefits of a barrel-less design be?
If there are no obvious benefits, no one would either manufacture nor buy it.
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Ben
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Author: clarinete09
Date: 2011-12-12 12:24
tictactux wrote:
> Where would the benefits of a barrel-less design be?
>
That is exactly what i would like to find out!
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Author: Caroline Smale
Date: 2011-12-12 12:48
I am sure I have seen old pictures of a clarinet without separate barrel, possibly from a museum.
If I recall correctly it had a very long mouthpiece tenon for tuning.
I could imagine that pulling out and creating a perturbation much closer to the mouthpiece could have more undesirable effects than pulling out at the barrel. Also having separate barrel allows for different lengths to mitigate need for excessive pulling out not to mention ability to vary barrel geometry more easily.
And where would our custom barrel makers get their business!!!
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Author: bill28099
Date: 2011-12-12 13:37
My teacher had an old (~1913) Buffet with no barrel. It had been worked on and tuned by a couple of skilled local technicians and was one of the nicest playing horns I ever met. After he retired his R13s were put away and he used it as his primary instrument.
A great teacher gives you answers to questions
you don't even know you should ask.
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Author: clarinete09
Date: 2011-12-12 13:41
Thank Ken, it makes alot of sense! And thanks for the link!bill28099 wrote:
> My teacher had an old (~1913) Buffet with no barrel. It had
> been worked on and tuned by a couple of skilled local
> technicians and was one of the nicest playing horns I ever met.
> After he retired his R13s were put away and he used it as his
> primary instrument.
>
bill28099
That sounds interesting, do you happen to have a picture of that 1913 buffet you can share with us?
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Author: Jeroen
Date: 2011-12-12 13:47
Buffet made these kind of instruments. I own such an A clarinet (1910-1920?) It is not a good instrument, the sound and intonation are not up to modern standards so I don't use it. It seems that instruments without barrel were the cheaper instruments back then. But the looks are good!
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Author: clarinete09
Date: 2011-12-12 13:56
Thank you Jeroen! By the way thanks to your recomendation about Viotto mps, I have a trial packagr on.my way to try. . One of them the german model N1+2!
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Author: Chris J
Date: 2011-12-12 14:01
Here is a catalogue entry from 1890, made by Martin Thibouville
And this is mine, as featured in the catalogue
Chris
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Author: clarinete09
Date: 2011-12-12 14:05
thank you very much Chris!
Yours look pretty good! You have taken good care of it!
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2011-12-12 14:22
The clarinettists of Les Musiciens du Louvre Grenoble played late 19th/early 20th Century clarinets of this type (Boehm system with the long top joint) from what I saw a few years back at the BBC Proms. I've seen several listed on French eBay.
More recently, the Orsi 'Verdi' model clarinets were made with an integral barrel with different length inserts, but they're no longer listed on their site.
http://www.orsi-wind-instruments.it/
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
Post Edited (2011-12-12 14:28)
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Author: Chris J
Date: 2011-12-12 14:24
Actually - it is in the state I bought it. It is on my waiting list for renovation but as it is a High Pitch instrument it does not get any priority!
Mine (No. 22) was all of 220 Francs in its time!
Chris
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Author: Caroline Smale
Date: 2011-12-12 18:35
Chris J,
what is the depth of the top (mouthpiece) socket?
Also interesting to note that ebonite models were more expensive than the equivalent in wood. I've noted this in old Hawkes catalogs also.
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Author: Ed
Date: 2011-12-12 19:19
It would really make an impact on the accessory market and give clarinet players one less thing to obsess over.
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2011-12-12 20:08
Weight for weight, PVC is more expensive than grenadilla nowadays.
Seeing as ebonite is a right bitch to work with as well as being a man-made material, that ought to account for the higher price of clarinets made from it back then.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: Chris J
Date: 2011-12-12 21:19
From Norman, "what is the depth of the top (mouthpiece) socket?"
The top socket has a depth of 17.2mm, with a diameter of 23.2mm
Chris
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Author: Caroline Smale
Date: 2011-12-12 22:36
Thanks Chris,
depth is just same as most modern barrels but about 0.3mm narrower. I have come across several older instruments where it has been necessary to open up the socket a tad to accept a modern mouthpiece.
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