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Author: DAVE
Date: 2011-11-12 00:46
Soundcloud is a great website where you can upload your recordings and share with others. I have uploaded a few things and would like to share. I think it would be great to have others here on the BB to share their stuff too!
I played Viktor's Tale a few weeks ago with my Army Band. It's not perfect, but it could have been worse.
The trios are pretty straight forward.
Be sure and have a listen to the Funambulist piece. It is a really interesting piece and I think you guys will like it. The other movements did not turn out as well as I wanted so I left them out. The second movement is my favorite one anyway...
http://soundcloud.com/ineedareed
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Author: Tom Puwalski
Date: 2011-11-12 03:19
Here is a version I did with orchestra last year. The orchestra is totally synthesized. The Clarinet is totally my analog Leblanc by Backun Symphonie.
I think the quality of the synth orchestra is amazing the guy who did the tracks was doing mind blowing work on ensemble synthesis, the digital clarinet sound that was on the demo track he sent me was amazing, but lacked a real "wind performance" feel, so he sent me everything minus the solo track.
Tom Puwalski Former principal clarinetist and Soloist with the U.S. Army Field Band and Backun performing artist.
http://soundcloud.com/klezmertom/victors-tale-mp3
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Author: DAVE
Date: 2011-11-12 11:01
Here is my friend's soundcloud. Mostly it's just him fooling around, but at the bottom he has a 1972 Cleveland Orchestra performance of The Miraculous Mandarin conducted by Boulez. The performance is spectacular!
http://soundcloud.com/jeffwvu
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Author: Ken Shaw ★2017
Date: 2011-11-14 20:01
Dave - Great fun. It's a bit jumpy for a tightrope walker, but you guys got the precision ensemble work very well. What's the maximum track length on Soundcloud? And why does it work with Internet Explorer but refuse with FireFox, telling me that it doesn't accept cookies (which it definitely does)?
Marellus retired in 1974, so I assume he's playing in the Bartok.
Tom - Very fine. At 1:23, a second voice joins you. Is that you run through the synthesizer, or is it already in the file?
Peter - I'll listen tonight.
Lets have much more!
Ken Shaw
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Author: Fuzzy
Date: 2011-11-14 23:46
Ken,
I'm using Firefox just fine too. I even have mine set to block cookies and it works! Maybe you did something that made Firefox mad at you and it's giving you the "cold" treatment? ;^)
Fuzzy
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Author: clarinete09
Date: 2011-11-15 01:23
I asked DAVE about his set up, he plays Yamaha clarinet, his Bb is a SEv, mouthpiece backun A, reed are rico grand concert evolution 4.5!
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Author: Connor
Date: 2011-11-15 02:39
Soundcloud is pretty cool!
pensive still about sharing my playing to the greater clarinet community
but- here are a few
Recent performance with University of Texas orchestra- me on Eb
Debussy Rhapsody from 2009
www.soundcloud.com/clarinetconnor
MM. Clarinet Performance University of Texas at Austin (2012).
BM. Clarinet Performance University of Northern Colorado (2010).
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Author: DAVE
Date: 2011-11-15 03:14
Yeah, that's what I play... although I like the 4.0s too!
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Author: Ken Shaw ★2017
Date: 2011-11-15 16:06
Dave -
RM is gorgeous in the Dvorak, but only the right channel plays.
I have a 1969 performance with Szell, which I think I got from you, with better sound.
Ken Shaw
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Author: BobD
Date: 2011-11-15 21:20
Where have I been! Thanks for posting.
Bob Draznik
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Author: Connor
Date: 2011-11-16 03:00
Dave:
Where do I find Funambulist? Who is the composer??
Great playing by the way! Fantastic clarity and articulation!
MM. Clarinet Performance University of Texas at Austin (2012).
BM. Clarinet Performance University of Northern Colorado (2010).
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Author: cigleris
Date: 2011-11-16 11:34
Any thoughts on my contribution or are you guys biased towards English players?
Peter Cigleris
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Author: Philcoman
Date: 2011-11-16 14:24
Hey Cigleris -- didn't mean to slight you! You play with marvelous passion and articulation, and I love your choices. I'm highly envious of course, but I've started "following" you on Soundcloud nonetheless. When does your CD come out?
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Author: DAVE
Date: 2011-11-16 20:53
Peter,
I have often wondered what English clarinetists think of us Americans and if your thoughts are the exact opposite of ours. I know this is a gross generalization, but to me and my friends, the English sound is a bit loose at times. I would suspect that to you, perhaps we are too tight or rigid? I happen to like both, but my training leads me to a more focused unwavering type style.
I listened to all of your Ireland Fantasy and enjoyed it. To my ear you tone and style is very relaxed. But I must admit, I thought to myself "with that light reed, how is he going to do on that high Bb at the end?" Of course you did it very well, as I figured you would considering it is to be released on CD. I haven't gotten to the other works; you have quite a lot!
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Author: cigleris
Date: 2011-11-16 22:55
Dave,
Thanks for the comments. Of course I can't speak for all the English clarinettists but I think American players are generally well respected. My personal opinion is that there are many players that do have a "tight" sound that is not flexible like the English sound. One reason is due to some English players, such as myself, playing on wide bore instruments. There are many English players that use Buffet and the like that can achieve the flexibility in timbre. I think a lot of the differences, many of which get disscussed on this Board, are down to the shape of the oral cavity and that dreaded subject, tongue position. I personally don't agree with this notion of high tongue position etc. As you heard I have no problem with the "high" notes keeping my tongue in a natural position.
I don't think my sound is particularly loose as you put it, not like perhaps players from the great English school. I prefer to play with a "focused" sound that has colour and harmonics but gives me flexibility to have my own voice for certain types of repertoire. For example I would play the English rep with the relaxed style and tone but Brahms would be a completely different "voice"
What is interesting is that you assumed I play on a "light" reed. Well I actually play on Peter Leuthner strong which I suppose is the equivalent of Vandoren 3 1/2.5. I remember the reed for those sessions was particularly heavy. My mouthpiece is an original Hite which works really well for me and the GF system ligature from Germany.
Philcoman,
Unsure of release date but it is with the record label now, I'm waiting on them to decide.
Peter Cigleris
Post Edited (2011-11-17 10:38)
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Author: donald
Date: 2011-11-16 23:15
Well ok, here goes...
Here is an original composition by young NZ composer Alex Taylor. This recording is from a recital where we also played a new (long, difficult) quintet piece, but i don't think the other piece is on soundcloud. Btw since then i've changed mouthpiece and now have a setup that gives me a much clearer sound (with a lot more "shape" in the lower register).
dn
http://soundcloud.com/user5794040/thirteen-ways-of-looking-at-a
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Author: John Peacock
Date: 2011-11-17 21:33
To Peter Cigerlis:
Very nice playing: homogeneous sound and fabulous control in the altissimo. I have to say that, had I not known, I wouldn't have thought this was obviously wide-bore playing. To me, the sound has some elements of a Germanic density, such as one might expect from a reform-boehm. I compared a few other performances, and you're more similar to Robert Plane, who I'm pretty sure is a Buffet player (but maybe one you had in mind when you said these could make the big-bore sound), than you are to the traditional English performances. The best of these that I could find is Murray Khouri. This I think would be fair to describe as a lighter reed, whereas I wouldn't ever have reached for that term for your recording. What do you think of Khouri's playing? I really like the way he adds vibrato to the slow high lines from about 8 minutes in. You don't do that, which was presumably a deliberate choice - but wouldn't Ireland have expected some of that in the "period style" of the day?
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Author: Tom Puwalski
Date: 2011-11-17 22:31
Here's something I recorded this morning. I little Piazolla on a day that needed it. Dave what army band were you playing with?
http://snd.sc/sfuRKc
Tom Puwalski Former principal clarinetist and Soloist with the U.S. Army Field Band and Backun performing artist.
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Author: MarlboroughMan
Date: 2011-11-17 23:55
Dave--
Fantastic thread! I'm just digging into it, and hopeful that this will really help expose clarinetists to different sounds and styles internationally.
I'm intrigued by the discussion about sound, bore, etc, styles. We've touched on this in other threads, but without having recordings to demonstrate.
Peter:
I'll add my opinion to the mix. Too briefly: I think your sound is Neo-English. It is more cosmopolitan than the older English sound, which had a hard time 'translating' to other countries. Yours, while firmly in that tradition, bridges a gap with the American and Dutch sounds.
I agree with what you write about tongue position. Here in America there are actually well respected schools that demand their players use the same high tongue position and require the angle of the clarinet to be held at a certain degree (regardless of dental structure). They also tend to insist upon certain brands of clarinet (and wouldn't welcome a wide bore Eaton or a Wurlitzer--or the tonal flexibility they offer).
Out of curiosity, and only if you don't mind answering: you say you use a Hite mp. I was under the impression that with a wide bore Eaton you needed to use a special Eaton mp, or have your old one re-bored. Has this been the case with you? What was the difference between the Eaton mp and the Hite on your instrument?
I'm very hopeful that this sort of dialogue will help open players to the possibilities out there, and diversify the landscape a bit. Keep posting, folks, though it will take me a while to catch up on the listening!
Eric
[edited for clarity]
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The Jazz Clarinet
http://thejazzclarinet.blogspot.com/
Post Edited (2011-11-18 00:14)
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Author: Tom Puwalski
Date: 2011-11-18 00:20
Here's a Nazereth tune that I really enjoyed recording.
http://snd.sc/u6yUai
Tom Puwalski Former principal clarinetist and Soloist with the U.S. Army Field Band and Backun performing artist.
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Author: DAVE
Date: 2011-11-18 05:23
Tom I am in the TRADOC band formerly at Fort Monroe and now at Fort Eustis.
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Author: cigleris
Date: 2011-11-18 13:09
John,
Thank you for your kind words, I feel honored that you would compare me favorably to Bob, I love his playing though he wasn't an influence when I was a student and yes he is a Buffet player. I was probably more influenced by Colin Parr and Andrew Marriner as well as Micheal Harris, Bob Hill and Richard Hosford.
I don't know Murray Khouri's playing but will try and find something of his. With regard to the vibrato question, yes I choose not to use it but I don't think Ireland would have expected it. He wrote the work for Fredrick Thurston who played with the purist of sounds. No vibrato at all. There is a wonderful recording taken from the radio performance with Ireland playing the piano with Jack.
Eric,
Thank you also for your kind words. I like your description on my sound, yes "neo-English" is a good way to describe it. I have been influenced by the German sound and the old English and came up with my own "voice". I have to say back in 2009 I spent a bit of time working with a wonderful player in Belgium, Geert Baeckelandt who was a student of Walter Boeykens. He taught me a lot during my time there.
In answer to your question re mouthpiece. You don't need to have an Eaton specifically. The main point for wide bore instruments is that the mouthpiece is bored to the size of the instrument hence my Hite. John Steward at Howarth bored it out for me and is perhaps the best one I have. I had a Bay bored out that didn't work as well after, interesting intonation. So you can of course use Peter's mouthpieces or get a "French" one bored out to the correct measurements. The difference between the Eaton mouthpieces I own and the Hite is that the Hite give me the fullest sound, possibly due to the deep chamber. I've always loved it and wouldn't know what to do if anything happened to it.
I too hope it will open people's ears to the other possibilities out there. Please keep sharing.
Peter Cigleris
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Author: John Peacock
Date: 2011-11-18 16:08
Peter,
Firstly, very sorry for mis-spelling your name on my previous post.
The Murray Khouri performance of the Ireland can be found for free on Spotify, as part of an "English clarinet" CD. Strangely, most of the other pieces on his CD are afflicted by the kind of brittleness in sound that was often a weakness of 1010 playing when not in the hands of the true Gods (of whom Bob Hill was and is certainly one), but in the Ireland he gets it right.
For the broader purposes of this thread, Spotify is very useful. It was unavailable in the USA, but I believe this changed in July. "Spotify Open" lets you listen for 10 hours a month, at the price of adverts between tracks. But if you just listen to part of a track, this seems not to kick in. So if you wanted to compare (say) the available recordings of the Mozart Concerto (Spotify has roughly 80), you can just get the first minute of each adagio until you hear something you like. It's a very efficient way of comparing lots of different kinds of playing, and is a valuable complement to the great upload facility of SoundCloud (where I do hope you will post more, although I guess you don't want to destroy your CD sales altogether...).
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Author: Sylvain
Date: 2011-11-18 16:31
A live recording of mvt 1&4 from Brahms quintet. It's missing the opening of mvt1 and it's recorded with an iphone, but some of the music still comes through. Always happy to hear feedback good and bad!!
Mvt 1
http://snd.sc/trX8cO
Mvt 4
http://snd.sc/tID1re
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Sylvain Bouix <sbouix@gmail.com>
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Author: DAVE
Date: 2011-11-18 17:01
Sylvain,
The Brahms is very nice even with the iPhone recording. Well done with your clarinet. I wish the quartet were as good. If you get to continue with them I would suggest working on tuning a lot, especially with the first violin. But anyway, I am really enjoying listening to this right now. 
Post Edited (2011-11-18 17:07)
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Author: Sylvain
Date: 2011-11-18 18:09
Thanks Dave,
We only had one rehearsal, so this may explain the less than stellar ensemble work. Anyway, thanks for your comments on the site too. The articulated variation in the 4th mvt has been my nemesis for a while :(
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Sylvain Bouix <sbouix@gmail.com>
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Author: vials
Date: 2011-11-22 22:54
Fun thread, and great postings!:)
Here is a recording of me playing Debussy's Première Rhapsodie. I am in the process of applying to grad school, and will be using this and some other stuff for the pre-screening rounds. Would be fun to get some comments!
http://soundcloud.com/victoralsen/debussy
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Author: Connor
Date: 2011-11-24 16:52
Peter
Fantastic Playing in the William Alwyn Sonata! Wonderful legato finger technique- so fluid! So nice to hear technical playing with out any extra finger noise!
Bravo!
MM. Clarinet Performance University of Texas at Austin (2012).
BM. Clarinet Performance University of Northern Colorado (2010).
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Author: Connor
Date: 2011-11-24 17:28
Vials:
Comments given on your audio files.
MM. Clarinet Performance University of Texas at Austin (2012).
BM. Clarinet Performance University of Northern Colorado (2010).
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Author: vials
Date: 2011-11-24 23:20
Connor:
Thank you so much for the great comments and suggestions! Really appreciate it:)
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Author: JamesOrlandoGarcia
Date: 2012-03-24 17:33
I was breaking in brand new reeds and thought why not make a multi-track recording to make the process more fun using garage band. So I laid down all the parts to the second movement of Holst's first suite in Eb. This was created in a half hour or so with no attempt at revision. Not meant to be a final product! Just me nerding out!
http://snd.sc/GMyfiG
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Author: Ken Shaw ★2017
Date: 2012-03-24 20:49
Very nerdy. Were you playing Eb on top or did you just shift the pitch? Also, how did you synch the tracks? A click track in an earphone, or listening on the fly?
Ken Shaw
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Author: JamesOrlandoGarcia
Date: 2012-03-25 18:20
It's a multitrack music program that Apple includes with all macs. I did add two Eb clarinet parts as well. There was a click track that I had in my ear when I was playing the parts. I also made it antiphonal after I was done. Eb's and 2nds on the right and 1st and 3rds on the left.
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Author: stebinus2
Date: 2012-11-12 09:10
If anyone from this B-Board wants the pdf ms and accomp sound files email me and I'll send them to you free. http://soundcloud.com/stephen-siegel/mozart-clarinet-sonata
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