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 Ebony Vs. Grenadilla...
Author: Chris P 
Date:   2011-11-12 11:41

Is ebony (the Diospyros genus) more dense and stronger than grenadilla (Dalbergia melanoxylon)?

I realise clarinets, mouthpieces and other woodwind instruments have been made from ebony in the past (and still are, but they're usually reproduction instruments and recorders), but is it a suitable timber to use for modern woodwinds and have any Boehm system clarinets been made from ebony recently?

How does it compare as a material with grenadilla in terms of workability and durability?

Questions, questions ...

Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010

The opinions I express are my own.

Post Edited (2011-11-13 00:58)

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 Re: Ebony Vs. Grenadilla...
Author: Alseg 
Date:   2011-11-12 15:46

First of all, let's clear up a common misconception:

The "Grenadilla" used to make clarinets is actually African Blackwood.
If you went to a woodworkers' store, the grenadilla that you would obtain is lighter in color and less dense than "m'pingo" (African Blackwood).
Nonetheless, we persist in refering to clarinet material as grenadilla, so we are stuck with the nomenclature.

Ebony is more like m'pingo, but it is very dense and a more difficult material with which to work. It blunts turning tools more readily than does mpingo.

Hope that this answered your question.


Former creator of CUSTOM CLARINET TUNING BARRELS by DR. ALLAN SEGAL
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 Re: Ebony Vs. Grenadilla...
Author: Bob Phillips 
Date:   2011-11-12 17:42

... also, you can get thermal expansion data for ebony, but not m'pingo/blackwood.

Bob Phillips

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 Re: Ebony Vs. Grenadilla...
Author: Ken Shaw 2017
Date:   2011-11-12 18:03

Chris -

Many auction listings for clarinets describe them as made of ebony, but I think that's just a guess because they're black.

Several sites show photos of old clarinets, but only a few are described as being made of ebony:
http://acimv.blogspot.com/
http://clariboles-et-cie.blogspot.com/
http://webspace.webring.com/people/ea/allreeds/
http://anticwindbooks.chez-alice.fr/clarinet/clarinet.html
http://www.allmusicalinstruments.net/catalog.html

Allan -

Have you seen any ebony clarinets. Do you know of any current maker who works in the wood?

Ken Shaw

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 Re: Ebony Vs. Grenadilla...
Author: Alseg 
Date:   2011-11-12 20:59

Ken, I believe some very old models were true ebony.
I have seen mouthpieces in true ebony.
To my knowledge, no maker is working in ebony now. I made some barrels of ebony early on. None recently.


Former creator of CUSTOM CLARINET TUNING BARRELS by DR. ALLAN SEGAL
-Where the Sound Matters Most(tm)-





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 Re: Ebony Vs. Grenadilla...
Author: Barry Vincent 
Date:   2011-11-12 23:53

The lighter and less dense granadilla that Alseg mentioned is often of Indonesian origin. Lots of it around in specialized wood turning shop supplies of exotic wood.

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