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Author: none
Date: 2011-10-17 00:41
Was there a time when from major French manufacturers of clarinets stamp their logos on mouthpieces from Chedeville and Lelandais blanks?
janeandgary@rogers.com
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Author: Bob Bernardo
Date: 2011-10-17 01:40
The newer Cheds are made from Lelandais, but these are very, very, different from the earlier years from around the 40's to the early 1960's. For whatever reason, maybe the machines or the tooling, such as the tapered drill bits couldn't be re-made. Tools do wear out. These newer chedevilles still get attention on Ebay and places like that, and they are over priced and sound nothing like the 1940's through the 60's cheds. It also could be the rubber used. As we all know rubber can be soft like puddy or very hard. In my opinion the harder the better, with rubber. The biggest difference is the newer Ched's do not come close in measurement to the old style. I've measured around 80 or so of both types. If you wish to email me I'll go into greater detail. Right now This isn't really the topic.
Some of the very early Cheds didn't have a name on them, some had 2 C's on the side with an inverted C, so they often could look like the number 8. These came in 2 styles, larger print, which were the later models and really, really small CC's which look very much like an 8. Most people think the writing is an 8. A lot of mouthpiece masters say the smaller CC's are not Chedevilles, others say they are Chedevilles. At any rate they both play very well so the lettering really isn't a major factor.
In most cases I won't bid on ebay, in fact I never have bought an older Chedeville, because who know who worked on them. So it's very hard to find one thats never been touched. Same with Kasper mouthpieces.
I do own a Chedeville but I find other mouthpieces to play better. Not a lot better, but for sure better. This is partly due to super talented master mouthpiece refacers. They were very few 20 plus years ago. Now there are some really good ones.
Final word, I would not suggest buying the newer Ched's and look for a mouthpiece master refacer to reface a blank from Vandoren and others. I've had decent luck with the Vandoren M13, others have not. There is a very good blank called Zinner, but it doesn't work for me, however it may work very well for you and others. In an orchestra setting, an average symphony hall, I feel the mouthpiece is a bit on the darker side, so projection is a problem. In chamber music it's a wonderful sounding MP.
savagesax@aol.com
I'm having a nerve fixed in my elbow, so give me a few days to respond.
Hope this helps.
Designer of - Vintage 1940 Cicero Mouthpieces and the La Vecchia mouthpieces
Yamaha Artist 2015
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Author: The Doctor ★2017
Date: 2011-10-17 17:50
(Disclaimer - I sell Chedeville mouthpieces and barrels)
Thanks Bob for your information. Charles Chedeville company made mouthpieces that were stamped by several instrument manufacturers such as Bettony in the 30's up to WWII. After WWII Chedeville was bought out by Lelandais which still had old chedeville blank stock that was also made into mouthpieces and stamped by instrument manufacturers. I do not know if Lelandais also made their own mouthpieces for instrument manufacturers but old Charles Chedeville and Lelandais mouthpieces were still being made from rod rubber, and later molded rubber, into the early 1950's and perhaps into the early 60's. Perhaps a better time line can be furnished by others.
L. Omar Henderson
www.doctorsprod.com
www.chedevillemp.com
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Author: Jack Kissinger
Date: 2011-10-17 19:03
For a number of years, Buffet mouthpieces were made on (old) Chedeville blanks. If the discussion in older threads on this topic is correct, Chedeville began supplying blanks/mouthpieces to Buffet in the 1920s and continued (Lelandais/Chedeville) into the 1970s. The mouthpieces are identified by a 1-up, 3-down, ligature line configuration and "France" stamped on the mouthpiece. In addition to Buffet's professional line, these blanks were also used for Evette and Evette & Schaeffer clarinet mouthpieces. Buffet applied several facings to the mouthpieces they sold with their professional clarinets. According to Dave Tuttle, a Chicago mouthpiece dealer, the Evette & Schaeffer mouthpieces were not faced by Buffet but rather were included with the instruments as they came from Chedeville. These mouthpieces exist for piccolo, soprano, alto and bass clarinets.
Best regards,
jnk
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