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Author: hanselkoh
Date: 2011-07-29 08:50
Hi Folks,
I am recently thinking for upgrading to a Yamaha CSGH, and I came across hand selecting services and setting up of new instrument provided by ClarinetXpress and LisaShop, but they seems to only select Buffet clarinets, therefore, I wonder are there other people that hand select Yamaha clarinets? Thanks!
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Author: Morrigan
Date: 2011-07-29 12:07
None that I know of that do it as an actual professional service, however if you found a Yamaha artist perhaps they'd be happy to help? Pretty sure some of our posters right here are Yamaha Artists!
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Author: luca1
Date: 2011-07-29 13:06
I don't think there are quite the same issues at play. Buffet clarinets, as many threads here have mentioned, can be very quirky - voicing, intonation etc. so a hand picker kinda makes sense. I would think that Yamaha consistency would negate such a need. Just a thought. ... and no I don't dislike Buffet - I play a 1962 R13 and love it.
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Author: gwie
Date: 2011-07-29 16:17
Dude, ClarinetFest is coming in about a week. There's probably a dozen Yamaha artists in attendance, not to mention the semi-truck load of Yamaha instruments that will be available. We could get a bunch of the woodwind.org members together and select you a CSG-H by committee.
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Author: hanselkoh
Date: 2011-07-30 07:30
Thanks for all the reply so far, seems like Yamaha have a more strict quality control. It wouldn't be possible for me to attend the up coming ClarinetFest I am far way from US :(. It's there any music shop in the US that you folks would recommend? hopefully something that accepts credits cards or paypal. Many thanks in advance!
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Author: Red Chair
Date: 2011-07-30 08:12
I also think it should be made very clear that at least one of the suppliers mentioned in the original post buys instruments from other stores that are not tested in any way. The instruments may be set up after they are bought but the entire stock is certainly not hand selected. Rather, many instruments are purchased from other dealers NOT from buffet.
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Author: Jack Kissinger
Date: 2011-07-30 13:47
There is another reason, I think, why it is more difficult to find a custom selection service for Yamaha than for Buffet. Year-in, year-out, Buffet manufactures 15-16,000 professional soprano clarinets. Yamaha's production is perhaps 10% of that. That means that when Lisa goes to Buffet to select clarinets, there is an ample supply for her to choose from. It's more difficult to find a large selection of Yamaha professional soprano clarinets in one place. I'll be surprised if you can find many more than around 10 of their newest model top line instruments in Los Angeles among all the exhibitors. (And they may very well all be sold by the end of the show.) Buffet's professional clarinets are their flagship. For Yamaha, student models are their primary focus -- two different marketing approaches.
Obviously, the disparity also exists because Buffet sells around 10 times as many professional soprano clarinets each year as Yamaha. So when Lisa selects clarinets, she knows there will be a much greater demand for Buffets than Yamahas and she will be able to turn them over more quickly. Remember, she has to finance every instrument she holds in inventory. And professional clarinets aren't cheap.
Best regards,
jnk
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Author: lllebret
Date: 2011-07-30 15:09
At one time Weiner Music offered a hand select service but I didn't see it advertised on their current website. You might want to get in touch with them. They sell Yamahas as well as Buffets (and others).
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Author: Red Chair
Date: 2011-07-30 16:33
If Lisa buys all her stock from Buffet, why when I walk into a store and ask to test a few different models am I told, sorry we sold all of those yesterday. When I say who on earth bought multiple numbers of one model I'm told Lisa's Clarinet Shop. She does not buy all of her instruments direct from buffet.
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Author: gwie
Date: 2011-08-01 06:32
Professional clarinets *are* cheap. Try running a violin shop!
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Author: Clarimeister
Date: 2011-08-01 07:43
Red Chair, I'm just assuming you've been to Lisa's Clarinet Shop and spoken with her directly and have been told straight from her that she doesn't buy all her clarinets from Buffet right? I think you need to straighten your facts away from assumption.
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Author: Red Chair
Date: 2011-08-01 07:54
No I haven't spoken to Lisa, but having spoken to the store in Europe they confirm without doubt that they regularly supply Lisa with clarinets that are in no way hand selected. I stand by my statement that not all of the clarinets sold by Lisa's clarinet shop are hand selected by her.
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Author: hanselkoh
Date: 2011-08-02 04:55
Thanks for all the info so far, lllebret has suggsted Weiner Music is there any more recommendation for any shop to purchase? thanks
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Author: hanselkoh
Date: 2011-08-02 12:31
Oh, I have checked with my local dealers, it seems like the price where I am at is pretty steep almost 2k more, and there is a need to pre-order as non of them stock any csgh, even if they do, they wouldn't allow of trying out more than 2, quite restricted.
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Author: SteveG_CT
Date: 2011-08-02 14:10
Red Chair wrote:
> No I haven't spoken to Lisa, but having spoken to the store in
> Europe they confirm without doubt that they regularly supply
> Lisa with clarinets that are in no way hand selected. I stand
> by my statement that not all of the clarinets sold by Lisa's
> clarinet shop are hand selected by her.
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> Post Edited (2011-08-02 08:35)
I find it highly doubtful that Buffet or any other instrument seller would give you detailed information about another customer's account.
Post Edited (2011-08-02 14:11)
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Author: Bradley Wong
Date: 2011-08-02 21:30
hanselkoh,
I am a Yamaha artist (my B-flat is a CSG and my A is a CSGH) and I will be at the ClarinetFest. I can't make any promises, but I'll try to look at any CSGH's on display and if I find some especially good ones, I'll make note of the dealer and serial number. You can than contact that dealer yourself.
You are looking for the CSGH model - in B-flat or A or both? Any other preferences? What instrument are you currently playing on? What is your mouthpiece/reed set-up?
Brad Wong
Professor of Clarinet
Coordinator of Graduate Studies
Western Michigan University
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Author: Red Chair
Date: 2011-08-02 22:35
I think the guy in the store actually found it funny that she was buying so much stock and then claiming to personally select it. Perhaps you need to shop places that are a little less up tight.
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Author: Hacker
Date: 2011-08-03 02:47
Very funny. So stronzate, as it were. You must tell us the name of the store so we can shop there, too.
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Author: Lisa@LisasClarinetShop.com
Date: 2011-08-03 13:34
Hi there! Excuse me but I need to make sure you all know I am a loyal Buffet dealer. I religiously go to Buffet every 4 to 8 weeks and purchase all my instruments there. The record should now be straight! I am very proud of the level of service I provide and the quality of the instruments I sell.
For all you coming to the ICA this year in CA for the first time in 25 years I am just coming to hang out and hear all the great music! I hope to speak to many of you in-between sessions and concerts.
Lisa
Lisa Canning
Lisa's Clarinet Shop, Inc.
www.LisasClarinetShop.com
847.774.2938
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Author: JJAlbrecht
Date: 2011-08-03 13:38
Lisa, you can't always control what trolls say about you, but thanks for setting the record straight.
Jeff
“Everyone discovers their own way of destroying themselves, and some people choose the clarinet.” Kalman Opperman, 1919-2010
"A drummer is a musician's best friend."
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Author: Lisa@LisasClarinetShop.com
Date: 2011-08-03 13:57
You are so right about that. Some nice person however tipped me off which gave me the opportunity to say something. It is nice to have friends who care. Happy clarineting!
Lisa Canning
Lisa's Clarinet Shop, Inc.
www.LisasClarinetShop.com
847.774.2938
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Author: Lisa@LisasClarinetShop.com
Date: 2011-08-03 14:11
You are so right about that. Some nice person however tipped me off which gave me the opportunity to say something. It is nice to have friends who care. Happy clarineting!
Lisa Canning
Lisa's Clarinet Shop, Inc.
www.LisasClarinetShop.com
847.774.2938
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Author: Vytas
Date: 2011-08-03 15:56
Red Chair wrote:
>>"No I haven't spoken to Lisa, but having spoken to the store in Europe they confirm without doubt that they regularly supply Lisa with clarinets that are in no way hand selected. I stand by my statement that not all of the clarinets sold by Lisa's clarinet shop are hand selected by her".<<
Lady Red Chair, you're full of it.
[ line deleted - do NOT cast aspersions when you have NO idea of their veracity. Mark C. ]
Vytas Krass
Custom clarinet mouthpiece maker
Professional clarinet technician
Former professional clarinet player
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Author: sclarinet
Date: 2011-08-03 17:04
Vytas, what a gentelman! Your manners would not be appropriate even in Karate class.
I know for the fact that Red Chair is not Ramon Wodkowski,
but if you curious to meet him, why won't you come to Chicago next week where Ramon will be working with clarinetists from Houston, Minnesota, Chicago, Boston, Lyric Opera, Grant Park and other symphony orchestras and take and take few lessons. When was the last time someone invited You to do that?
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Author: SteveG_CT
Date: 2011-08-03 17:20
sclarinet wrote:
> I know for the fact that Red Chair is not Ramon Wodkowski
Perhaps not, but I think the point is that her/his real name is probably not "Rim Jobbie" as is listed in his/her profile. Someone who so freely lobs pretty serious allegations of wrongdoing at other forum members, craftsmen, and advertisers should at least have the spine to list their real name.
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Author: hanselkoh
Date: 2011-08-03 17:25
Hrm.. Seems like we have got some misunderstanding here and have got ourselves carried away?
Bradley, I am not sure if I am ready for a purchase right now, currently I am still reading up on the option given by different shops as well as researching on which are the shop will suit my needs best.
As of now I am looking forward to a CSGH as I have read that many said that CSGH is smooth and darker than the CSG itself. And my current setup is a Buffet RC Prestige (with the old aux Eb key) with Lomax RM mouthpiece, 3.5 zonda reed, GF ligature. I play mostly in a band setting tunning to 442.
I hope the informations helps. Thanks alot.
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Author: Red Chair
Date: 2011-08-03 22:17
No Vytas, I'm not a craftsman: I'm not Grabner, Lomax, Smith, Wodkowski, Behn or any other craftsman. I am a professional performer who has an understanding of the industry, unlike many who paste here.
I also stand by my statement of Lisa not buying all her stock from buffet direct. A clear examination of all her accounts from European dealers will show where SOME of her instruments come from, or perhaps for her personal use she needs many instruments purchased new every year.
My comment is no reflection on the quality of instruments or service Lisa offers, just a comment that from the information I have been provided, not 100% of the stock Lisa has been selling recently has been bought from Buffet direct. This in my opinion is something consumers need to be aware of when considering a major purchase.
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Author: Lisa@LisasClarinetShop.com
Date: 2011-08-04 22:00
Red Chair wrote:
"No Vytas, I'm not a craftsman: I'm not Grabner, Lomax, Smith, Wodkowski, Behn or any other craftsman. I am a professional performer who has an understanding of the industry, unlike many who paste here."
Red Chair,
Forgive me but as a veteran in this industry I beg to differ that your a professional. You have little understanding of how to conduct yourself professionally or in business as evident by the way you have responded to everyone on this post. I don't frequently read this board but I find it incredibly disrespectful to everyone here who is sharing information to conceal your real identity and have the attitude you do that you know more than most.
I am opening a school to teach artists how to build their careers/ their business in the arts called The Institute for Arts Entrepreneurship. Based on how you are acting it seems you would benefit from finding a similar program in your area.
Lisa Canning
Lisa's Clarinet Shop, Inc.
www.LisasClarinetShop.com
847.774.2938
Post Edited (2011-08-04 22:08)
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Author: FDF
Date: 2011-08-05 00:29
What percentage of the purchase price of a professional clarinet goes to a person who hand selects the instrument?
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Author: SteveG_CT
Date: 2011-08-05 00:56
FDF wrote:
> What percentage of the purchase price of a professional
> clarinet goes to a person who hand selects the instrument?
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Little, if anything, from what I have seen. Walter Grabner selects the instruments he sells and the list prices on his website are the same as those at Woodwind Brasswind.
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Author: hanselkoh
Date: 2011-08-09 19:49
Anyone would like to comment on the new CSGH II that was released during the recent clarinet festival? And any idea how much do they retail for? and which dealer have stocks of them? Thanks cheers!
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Author: Bob Barnhart ★2017
Date: 2011-08-10 01:04
I played the Bb prototype for the CSGIII-H that was built at the Yamaha Atelier in Buena Park (south of Los Angeles, CA). It had the ergonomic register key, adjustable (and really comfortable) thumb rest, LH Eb lever and low E/F pitch correction mechanism (though not quite the final design that went into production). You can Google "CSGIII" and see some videos on this 3rd-generation design.
It seems to me that the CSGII may only be an interim configuration as the Yamaha sites show the CSGIII now although I am not sure how you get one (other than ordering from a European vendor).
The instrument was slightly heavier than my CSGH (due to the extra keys) and played with a bit more resistance/focus. It also had a tad darker sound than my current CSGs. It was a blast to play--I didn't want to stop! The low E/F correction lever takes a bit of getting used to (it is the same key used on many German clarinets) but does make a significant difference on the low F (you can really play FF in tune) although a lesser difference for the low E.
Based on these changes, i would say the CSGIII will be a real contender for folks considering any of the other professional instruments. However, I expect it will be a good bit more expensive. Based on European prices, I would expect anywhere from $3500-$4500 depending on options. It will be well worth it.
I also played two current generation Bb CSGs that were Silver-plated. Based on my limited experience, I am convinced that the Hamilton plating DOES make a difference in the sound (it is rounder/warmer), though I have no explanation. For my money, I would get the Hamilton-plated version without a doubt.
Bob Barnhart
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Author: SteveG_CT
Date: 2011-08-10 01:51
Bob Barnhart wrote:
> I also played two current generation Bb CSGs that were
> Silver-plated. Based on my limited experience, I am convinced
> that the Hamilton plating DOES make a difference in the sound
> (it is rounder/warmer), though I have no explanation. For my
> money, I would get the Hamilton-plated version without a doubt.
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> Bob Barnhart
I've seen many comments on how the hamilton-plated instruments sound different. Everything I know about vibrations and fluid dynamics tells me that key plating material can't possibly have a non-trivial effect on the sound of an instrument and yet I've heard these comments from people who I know are great players and can evaluate instruments. I kind of wonder if there is something else different between the CSGH's and the regular CSG's that isn't advertised.
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Author: hanselkoh
Date: 2011-08-10 04:20
Bob,
I was confused about CSGH III and CSGH II as well, I did email Yamaha US, and I was told that the CSGH III in Europe refers to CSGH II in the US which was launched during International Clarinet Association Convention in Northridge, CA. ClarinetFest 2011.
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