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Author: Rissa
Date: 2001-01-27 19:48
Please, someone tell me I'm not crazy! Go to this URl: http://cgi.ebay.aol.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1405985102
and look very closely at the clarinet.....does anyone else see that the keys are on the wrong sides of the horn? ie- the E/B, F/C, etc? Or am I just having a blonde moment?
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Author: Bill
Date: 2001-01-27 20:12
There is definitely something differerent. Is it a left handed (reversed hands) clarinet or did something happen when the seller copied the photo? The seller states that it's not the actual photo of the clarinet being auctioned.
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Author: Graham Golden
Date: 2001-01-27 20:14
Hi,
I see the same thing. Very strange. what it could be is that they just flipped the picture upsidedown. like looking at a glass door with writing on it. It looks very strange from the back side.
I have seen those same kindof bacward pictures in many music books. One with kenny G playing a backwards soprano sax. Only his hands were switched. So either these are very strange and rare creatures or the pic is just flipped.
Graham
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Author: Nate Zeien
Date: 2001-01-27 20:42
Hmmm... It certainly caught my attention. Left-handed clarinets are certainly interesting, but if you take a closer look, you can tell that the lettering is backwards. Granted, you can't really distinguish between each individual letter, but the length of the words on the seal. Also, the case is backwards. I don't know that I've ever heard of Buffet making left-handed clarinets recently, either. It isn't too hard to see that the photograph is flipped, but then again I've got an R-13 in my hand to compare to... Overall, a bit of a humourous mistake on the part of the person posting the picture on ebay. -- Nate Zeien
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Author: Pam
Date: 2001-01-27 23:40
It is pretty easy to flip and negative and print something backwards from the way it should be. I'm surprised the seller put it in there as he supposedly knows something about clarinets.
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Author: Ginny
Date: 2001-01-28 00:57
I have a Leona Boyd classical guitar album with a flipped negative picture! At first I though she was playing a left handed guitar, but I'd seen her in person and she does not. Someone did not check the galleys!
I wonder if any of my family pictures are flipped and I just didn't notice.
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Author: Nate Zeien
Date: 2001-01-28 02:16
Ginny, if you have any old black and white photographs in your albums, chances are that you do have flipped images. This was common of quite a few black and white pictures. The modern black and white photos, some of the early photos, and most all of the professional photos are likely to be correct. A lot of the personal black and white cameras flipped the picture around this way because it took less space inside the camera, and it was considerably cheaper. It was assumed that people would choose a compact, inexpensive camera over a larger, more expensive camera. They were right. I was looking at the only surviving photograph of my great-grandfather from about 1943, and I was trying to figure out by the landscape (a tree, a fence, and a lot of hills) where the picture was taken. I took a closer look, and found it odd which side his shirt buttoned. (Men's shirts generally always button on the same side, at least every one that I have owned). I took the photo to a mirror, and then looked at the landscape. Eureka! I could recognize the landscape. As a geneologist, one learns to try to pick up on every little detail from a record or a photo. As the old saying goes - "A picture is worth a thousand words". On a more musical note... There is an old poster from a college band tour in the 1970's on the wall in the music computer lab. I pass by this poster near every day and have never really given it any thought, until a friend took a look and started laughing at it. I then take a look at the picture, and I instantly saw it. The woman in the printed poster was playing the flute backwards, (or to those critical thinkers here, playing a left handed flute)! Funny. So beware artists... most wind instruments are not symetrical, except for trombone, which can go either way, and a few others I may be forgetting. -- Nate Zeien
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Author: Nate Zeien
Date: 2001-01-28 02:36
Just got to thinking... Does anyone here know if they make left handed flutes or saxophones? -- Nate Zeien
PS - Just forget the fact that I spelled genealogist wrong in my above post... Damned imaginary spellcheck! ;-)
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Author: Lauri
Date: 2001-01-28 03:53
But.. if It was a left handed clarinet.. wouldn't everything be reversed.. not just a few keys ??
lauri
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Author: ron b
Date: 2001-01-28 04:37
You're fine, Rissa :]
As a graphic artist for well over twenty years when I retired a while back I can offer you this much:
Photos are sometimes 'flopped' for esthetic ('artistic') reasons. Photos are sometimes flopped because someone along the way, in one or more of the pre-press operations, screwed up. The pic in question, obviously from a catalog, I strongly suspect belongs in the latter category. It usually happens on Monday mornings....
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ron b
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Author: Nate Zeien
Date: 2001-01-28 04:45
Lauri, take a closer look, preferably with a clarinet in hand. It is an exact mirror image of a Buffet clarinet. All of the keys are mirrored, not just a few keys. Also, for a little bit of interesting reading, and a picture of an actual left handed clarinet, check out http://www.avrahm-galper.sneezy.org/left-handed.html. Yes, Avrahm Galper's famous left handed clarinet, although it is an Albert system, it's still pretty neat to look at. -- Nate Zeien
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Author: Terry Horlick
Date: 2001-01-28 07:52
Nate,
No camera flips an image because it is cheaper. All images in all cameras are projected upside -down and backwards. When the negative is printed it is either contact printed or projected. It costs the same to do it right as it does to do it wrong. It takes no more "space" either. It is clear what happended here. The seller didn't have a photo of his clarinet so he lifted a photo off of the net and did not notice the mistake. The original poster of the photo used his graphics program to prepare the photo and while orienting the photo hhit the button to reverse the image (most programs have this). Not noticing the error he posted the pic. By the way this isn't a case of messing with the negative... digital cameras don't use them!
Easy to do? Yes! It is a bit of fun to pick out the errors. The guy who posted said he will send a photo of the clarinet, why don't you ask for one and see if it really is backwards?
Thanks for the chuckle! Terry
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Author: Nate Zeien
Date: 2001-01-28 15:13
Terry, I find it interesting that you say that no camera flips an image because it is cheaper. Certainly it doesn't work that way these days, I know that. I'm not really talking about modern cameras, I'm referring back to the day when cameras were quite expensive for the average person to own. It was quite common for the cameras from the pre-1900's up until even the 1960's to reverse the picture. I do know for a fact that the picture is often reversed in photos from this time period. Are you referring to the older cameras when you say that no camera flips an image because it is cheaper, or just the newer ones. Yes, I do know that the image gets flipped around, but in some of the earlier cameras, wasn't there something extra that would flip the image again, and correct it? If I remember correctly, these cameras were larger, and cost more money. Also, I do know that digital cameras do not take film or negatives. I'm not stupid, or at least I like to think I'm not. :-) If I've got things all fouled up here, perhaps you can explain to me how it all works. Cheers! -- Nate Zeien
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Author: Terry Horlick
Date: 2001-01-28 16:49
Hey, I didn't say or imply stupidity! That was likely a digital image so I thought it prudent to mention that the flipped images we often see now are due to software manipulation not sptical quirks.
I think you are confusing what a viewfinder does with what the final image is. Lots of older cameras have the viewfinder set up to reverse an image, the optics for that WERE simpler and cheaper. But what you see in the viewfinder has nothing to do with what goes onto the film (except in single lens reflex cameras). The orientation of the final print is solely dependent on how the lab orients the negative. If you are seeing lots of reversed images then you are looking at a lot of amateur prints or have one lousy lab.
I appologize for this diversion from the subject of clarinets.
Respectfully submitted, Terry
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Author: Nate Zeien
Date: 2001-01-28 17:38
Terry, don't worry... I wasn't offended in the least. That comment of mine was meant jokingly. Sorry, I guess sometimes my humour doesn't communicate very well. :-) And no, I'm not referring to the viewfinder, but as you said, this camera discussion is getting a little bit off topic, so if you want, we can continue this discussion via email. -- Nate Zeien
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Author: Gordon (NZ)
Date: 2001-01-29 09:31
"Do they make a left handed clarinet?"
The flute is definitely a left handed instrument because the left hand does more work (because of its busyness in the top octave.)
Don't the difficult tasks of the left index finger and thumb make the standard clarinet left handed too?
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Author: Phil
Date: 2001-01-30 02:24
If anyone has noticed, the clarinet being sold is a festival, and the insturment in the pic isn't even a festival. It's an Rr-13 or something of near resemblence.
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