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Author: Aussie Nick
Date: 2001-01-27 14:14
Sorry to keep bugging everyone about Eb's. You all know how I have an R13 Eb on order, well someone has offered me a Patricola Eb for a much better price. I'm hoping to test this instrument and get my teachers approval, but before I do, what do you guys think of Patricola? Are there any common problems with patricola clarinets that i should be aware of before I check it out? Thanks
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Author: Eb
Date: 2001-01-27 19:32
This doesn't have much to do with what you are comparing Buffet and patricola. But, I got my daughter a Selmer Plastic Eb clarinet, which is a very good quality horn, to be plastic. I'm glad that she tried out the yamaha and then the selmer, because the yamaha wasn't that great of a horn. Just to let ya know, there are some good plastic Eb's out there! Even though that was a little off topic, and you are probably looking for a professional.
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Author: Robert Small
Date: 2001-01-27 20:10
The Patricola Ebs have a very good reputation, particularly the ones set up by Charles Bay.
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Author: Fred
Date: 2001-01-27 20:20
Roger, could you provide a bit more info on your experience? Eb's are often accused of poor intonation, but seldom detonation. (Though I suppose we could use that as a single word for "poor intonation" . . . (de-)tonation.)
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Author: AaronD
Date: 2001-01-28 05:40
Hello.
I have played on many Eb's and yes intonation is always a problem. However, this can be dealt with to a point. i play now on my college's selmer Eb dated around 1972. It's a nice horn, and is even better after it's overhaul. Before that i played my high schools R-13 prestige, a WONDERFUL horn. Nothing realy bad to say about it.
As far as the Patricola horn goes. I had a chance to play a Patricola Eb, Bb, and A at the Internation Band aand Orchestra clinic this past December, and even meet Mr. Patricola and son. NOt much conversation because I speak Italian about as good as I Chinese, which is none. However I did get to play the horns. In relation to the Eb. It has a smaller tone, as compared to the R-13 and not as rich. It is a different tone alltogether. It is not quite as bright as a selmer. My only large complaint about the horn is that the scale isn't quite even across the break. The low register is fine and in tune, but you go from a middle c to putting on the register key, and the pitch is considerablly lower. At least this is what I concluded in my 10 minutes of playing. i guess having it play flat is better than it going a mile sharp, but it is better for it to play in tune to begin with. I had to work awful hard to get the registers to play in tune with each other, and that turned me off to the horn. I'm not downplaying them at any point, however, for me, I like to be a lazy player, in a matter of speaking. I like to work as little as possible while I'm playing. I don't like to always have to compensate while i'm playing. Keep in mind that you should always listen and be flexible to the pitch of the group and to other players around you, however one needs a stable base to go off of before one can have consistently in playing in tune.
The Patricola horns, the entire line is very well manufactured, good craftsmanship, but the scale isn't as in tune as say an R-13 or Selmer would be.
As far as their tone, they have a sweet tone, but not as projecting and having as big of a presence as the R-13 or Selmer. And yes i did try both the Rosewood and Grenidilla(spelling) wood horns. Both having same intonation problems.
Hope this gives some more insight.
Aaron
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Author: lynn
Date: 2001-01-31 13:16
I just sold a Noblet Eb. Technically it was remarkably similar to the one I've been using for about 10 years now - I have a Couesnon that I rescued from the trash (my ex threw out THREE of them at his school, the moron) and overhauled myself. The sound of the Noblet is a bit darker than the Couesnon (which is actually bright, more like a Selmer, which appeals to me because I am a Selmer player). The Noblet was a very nice instrument, the intonation was good, it was relatively free-playing, but I just didn't need it - and it wasn't me.
I thinkt that if you are buying ANY kind of a horn, you should not decide until YOU try them out. Because whatever your teacher says, it's YOU that has to live with the horn. If YOU like the Patricola, get that. If YOU like the R13, get that. Just make sure the intonation is good, especially with those eefers!!!!
Lynn
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