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Author: blazian
Date: 2011-07-12 09:59
The best we can all do is give the video a thumbs down and give all the slander and funny comments a thumbs up. Or post a video reply and mention everything that's wrong with the person's video (not recommended).
I must say that Mike's recommendation is my favorite as well. I start laughing when he starts talking. His playing is even funnier.
- Martin
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Author: RJShaw0
Date: 2011-07-12 11:25
I think Mike's wins hands down. I seriously almost fell of my chair.
Although, I keep forgetting whether or not I'm using my Tosca or my 1976 B&H Regent... I know! I'll find out by burning a bit of each! What a handy hint!
Thank God Mike's "expert" doesn't play the Copland, or those high Fs would literally kill us.
RJS
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Author: Iceland clarinet
Date: 2011-07-12 16:59
ttay1122 said:
"Did she really just tell people to burn their clarinet?!"
How about actually play they clarinet. Wood has the overtones the plastic doesn't have them.
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Author: Barry Vincent
Date: 2011-07-13 02:49
I think you all should go look at her Utube video again. All she is saying is that another way of determining if the instrument is plastic or wood is to heat the POINT OF A NEEDLE and touch somewhere that is inconspicuous, I'm assuming on the ends (flat area)
Deary me , what a bunch of drama Queens you lot are !
Also, she is generally correct about the bores of different materials. The plastic is plastic shiny (very) and the wood is often , but not always shiny but never as shiny as plastic.
And to top it all off, I've been told by my professional repairer that this is a handy test using a hot needle. The damage would be something like a mm at most.
But generally speaking this is something that you would do playing around with the lower end instruments, not to a $1000 / $6000 items whatever.
Good test for Ebonite as well (rubber smell)
Oh , and by the way Iceland , plastic clarinets also have nice overtones, it all depends on the mouthpiece / reed / player ect .
Skyfacer
Post Edited (2011-07-13 03:11)
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Author: Barry Vincent
Date: 2011-07-13 03:39
I just watched the video of her putting a clarinet together and I must admit , it was painful to watch, especially the part where she connects the top joint to the lower joint.
I have noticed that on Jupiter plastic clarinets these days they have got a double 'slope' plate for the 'correspondence' (linkage) key. This allows one to connect these two joints together without pressing down the LH ring. This handy feature should be on all student clarinets.
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Author: ned
Date: 2011-07-13 11:10
''Youtube's''
Incorrect.................you have changed the name into the possessive case. The way it reads to me is that there is something belonging to Youtube..........so I'm looking for another word to follow it. Of course, you mean Youtube in the plural, we all know that I suspect.
I see this annoying and misleading false ''possessive case'' in many writings now days, and, given there is enough misunderstanding of posts on the BB anyway, we don't need to complicate our communications with bad, inappropriate, or...........just plain WRONG grammar.
I'm not having a shot at the author of this post particularly, but rather at the plethora of posters over the years who have abused (possibly unknowingly) the English language.
BB correspondents who have English as a second language are NOT the target of my comments, however those who have English as the native tongue, should know better.
I have held my silence for all these years, however this apostrophe business is the straw which has broken this camel's back!
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Author: tictactux ★2017
Date: 2011-07-13 11:42
Ned,
thi's apostrophic condition also exist's in other language's. Here we call it the "Deppenapostroph" (idiot's apostrophe) and it is really really grim here. My eye's are hurt.
So I feel your pain's. ![[toast]](http://test.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/smileys/smiley15.gif)
--
Ben
Post Edited (2011-07-13 11:43)
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Author: ThatPerfectReed
Date: 2011-07-13 13:08
ttay1122:
Inadvertantly or not--I think you've just made a plug for places like this Bboard, where polite and informed peer review, on the one hand, prevents opinion (worse: wrong statements) from becoming fact, while on the other hand, because 99% of us respect each other (i.e. polite), a place where dissenting opinion is respected and taken seriously.
Youtube, for all its positive attributes, has--as I know you must appreciate, little filter beyond that which is deemed inapproriate from say a violence or sexual perspective, where free speech can produce at times, neither serious video, nor serious critique. People's comments are sometimes worse than the video, that can (but not always) feature a treasure chest of "sailor's talk" critique, that seems to quickly evolve into an off-topic and hateful expression of animosity towards races and religions, etc.
I appreciate your frustration, along with the humor others see in this bad youtube content, and mihalis' sentiments above about how youtube is like a yard sale, where you'll likely to find treasure among the garbage.
Maybe that's why, at least in the States, our founding fathers never really desired free speech, instead wishing an open exchange of ideas. There's a difference. That latter says that if you open your mouth, be prepared to defend your ideas. Free speech, good or bad, is a product of judicial interpretation of an open exchange of ideas--not written law itself.
ttay1122: consider your contribution one where you have warned others to critically evaluate public content, while giving us a good laugh at bad videos. And if you find justifiable frustration in sifting the youtube jewels from the junk, I urge you to check out, what IMHO is one of the best threads on this board (and there are many), of worthy clarinet youtube videos, in Dave Brumberg's post entitled Youtube - Favorite Clarinet Videos...recently restated to the top of the new content list when I wrote this, as a result of recent contributions to it.
Watch Julian (Bliss) tackle Messager's Solo de Concurs before he probably shaved. Some say the draw dropping is good for the embouchure. : - )
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Author: ThatPerfectReed
Date: 2011-07-13 13:35
One more thing.
I like good grammar too, despite at times failing miserably at achieving it.
That said, the rules of this board, and I believe the spirit and intent of these rules strongly encourages participants away from grammatically correcting other people's contributions--barring maybe where such content's grammatical mistakes interfere with clear communication. I'm not sure I see that above.
Of course, I am not the board's moderator, nor do I claim to speak as such. But to critique grammar, not "reed balancing methods," can cause us to become a place where boxing gloves replace peer reviewed and informed critique on clarinet subject content.
In simple terms, if you know what someone meant, at least on this BBoard, maybe it's best to focus on the content, not how it was (mis-)said.
I get the frustration people have of native speakers doing away with the rules of their lexicon. And if this were a Bboard for English teachers, I'd champion your cause.
All this said, the whole discussion on possesives and apostrophies raises or more important point, I think. The videos aren't Youtube's. I mean maybe technically and legally they may become Youtube's upon submission--but the content is really....."our's"---that of the people which submit it, and subject to all the attributes and failings of those who submit it.
That said, lets talk about embouchure's, and reeds, and players, and setups and problems with playing, and .............
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Author: Claire Annette
Date: 2011-07-15 01:35
Mike's video reminds me of the thread we had on this board recently about vibrato.
Children, this is how we don't want the clarinet to sound.
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Author: ttay1122
Date: 2011-07-15 03:16
I'm one who is against the idea of vibrato. Clarinet is one of the very few instruments with superior pitch that it doesn't need to be tainted with vibrato to hide imperfections. Although I did a clarinet solo from Fiddler on the Roof, which was klezmer of course I used vibrato because it was appropriate. But otherwise I just don't think there is a logical use when it sounds almost if not already perfect without vibrato.
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Author: cigleris
Date: 2011-07-15 08:00
TTay1122 wrote:
"I'm one who is against the idea of vibrato. Clarinet is one of the very few instruments with superior pitch that it doesn't need to be tainted with vibrato to hide imperfections."
I do hope you were being sarcastic...
Peter Cigleris
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Author: Buster
Date: 2011-07-16 21:28
Peter,
I know what you mean, I was a bit puzzled myself.
Kinda makes you wonder why there are period reconstructions played with no vibrato that sound quite wonderful. Surely the clarinet was not "superior" in intonation back then what with only 5 keys and all.
And never mind other instruments that can be immaculately played senza vib.
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Author: BobD
Date: 2011-07-16 22:58
To the guy who is against vibrato: You are obviously going to have a difficult time learning anything about clainet playing with such a closed mind.
Bob Draznik
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