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Author: BSB fan
Date: 2001-01-20 19:01
just wondering, I am a fellow clarinet player
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Author: Brian Peterson
Date: 2001-01-20 20:50
No, but my kids are.
It's rather fun though to annoy them by trying to play along with the songs on my clarinet when the cd playing.
Brian
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Author: Kontragirl
Date: 2001-01-20 22:49
Not at all, but my friends love them. I'll never understand it. I like to play my band's state CD, or some Benny Goodman when they're in the car. They whine and whine...haha...paybacks.
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Author: Stephanie
Date: 2001-01-21 03:52
Well, I do! I LOVE Brian! But anywayz, I do like Benny and also pop in some of my classical CDs sometimes. I basically love almost everything you put in front of me, including all the boy bands! Tee Hee, so you're not alone and I'm glad I've found someone else who does too!
Stephanie
P.S. That would drive me up the wall if someone tried to play along with clarinet! But maybe I should try to learn some of the songs and drive me friends insane!
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Author: Allen Cole
Date: 2001-01-21 08:55
My best sax student loves them, despite my efforts to woo her to Phil Woods and Cannonball Adderley. One good thing about groups like that, is that they can be good for playing along to.
Any pop music that has unison lead vocals is generally going to be disciplined enough that an instrument can play along. The Beach Boys are a good example, as are Earth Wind & Fire, and some Beatles tunes.
Brian, how is your success in playing along with them? (I'm not that familiar with their music)
Allen
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Author: Brian Peterson
Date: 2001-01-21 18:10
I have to confess to everyone my inexcusable pop music transgression. It's not the Back Street Boys that my kids love, it's N Sync. Apologies to all devoted fans, but as you have suggested Allen the form is pretty much the same. For a guy like me who has never gotten very far with improvisation, it's actually kind of fun. (Should I confess to enjoyment in this regard too?)
Regards,
Brian
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Author: Daniel Bouwmeester
Date: 2001-01-22 23:38
Sorry Backstreet boys fans, but you won't like what I'm gona say.
In the world of music there are musicians, and people that pretend they are.
To become an international soloist on the clarinet, it takes at least 15 years of hard work, practicing and studying (more years than the required to become a surgeon).
People like the backstreet boys pretend they can sing, form a band, become popular because of their great Image and their albums which are 99 % made of the work of the good sound engineers that work for them.
The only merit these people have is that they have found the good people at the right time. People like the Backstreet boys are nothing without :
- Their hairdresser
- Their clothes designer
- Their Sound engineers
- Their producers and marketers
- Media
Are Backstreet boys musicians ?
I alwayz judge a musician on the time he spends in a studio to record.
A good professional clarinetist takes a morning to record a piece such as Weber's concertino with a full string orchestra (usually two or three takes.. and not any cut and paste.... the whole thing in one go..).
How long does it take the backstreet boys to record ONe piece : ?
I would expect at least 200- 300 hours of hard studio work.
What REALLY REALLY REALLY annoyes me TERRIBLY !!! is that these people steal the money of the real musicians. The average classical professional musician earns peanuts and the backstreet boys and other people like them make millions making horrible "music".. Should I rather call this noise ?
SHAME ON YOU THIEFS !
I find that today, a lot of people have forgotten about the word "quality", "beauty". Instead of that they prefer making money. Is money so usefull ?
Mediocrity seems to be a worldwide fashion nowerdays. Especially in the west part of the world.
People !! Do what ever you like !!!
This will not stop me eating a good beef entrecote at lunch with 2DL of good pinot (red wine).
As well as listening to my collegues play Mozart at Victoria hall in Geneva.
And going cycling in the moutains instead of doing cycle trainer at home in front of TV.
And if I could, I would help the antiWTO Jose Bovet dismantle all the CACDONALDS of the world.
The glass that I'm holding in my hand is raised for all the musicians, aritsts, artisans, thinkers, and all the people that culture humanism rather than capitalism.
Daniel Bouwmeester
Prangins, Switzerland
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2001-01-23 02:03
Daniel Bouwmeester wrote:
> A good professional clarinetist takes a morning to record a
> piece such as Weber's concertino with a full string orchestra
> (usually two or three takes.. and not any cut and paste.... the
> whole thing in one go..).
Oh really? Hmmmm ... go ask a few recording engineers how many takes a profession orchestra and soloist take when doing a recording.
You might be surprised.
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Author: Daniel Bouwmeester
Date: 2001-01-23 16:17
Mark,
Steven Kanoff, my teacher recorded his version of the Concertino with the Orchestra of the Munich Radio, (conductor Thomaso Placidi) in ONE MORNING.
He said he was not happy...
But I find it excellent.
Check out, :
Steven Kanoff, Weber concertos and concertino (label : Accord ... universal)
You'll be impressed.
Mark, hiring a studio and an orchestra is very expensive.
Sorry to have been so agressive in the last post, but I just can't stand the modern show business.
Best wishes
DAn
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2001-01-24 01:41
Daniel Bouwmeester wrote:
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> <Mark,
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> Steven Kanoff, my teacher recorded his version of the
> Concertino with the Orchestra of the Munich Radio, (conductor
> Thomaso Placidi) in ONE MORNING.
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> He said he was not happy...
Which meant he wished he could have another take ... but didn't have the time (money).
> Sorry to have been so agressive in the last post, but I just can't > stand the modern show business.
We're the ones who made it the way it is - we expect perfection from all our recordings or we won't buy them. If perfection doesn't happen on take 1, then there's going to be re-takes.
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Author: Marie
Date: 2001-01-25 08:00
Not only do people take retakes, but a recording studio can record different parts of the orchestra separately and blend them together later for the final recording. You can erase squeaks, change tempo without changing pitch -- lots of neato cheato things.
Just because it took him one morning does not mean they did not splice good phrases out and remix them into one masterpiece.
I just finished a recording session spotlighting a Phd performance vocalist (if that means anything). I was part of the backup orchestra. It took one afternoon, lots of retakes, and some sectional recording. We recorded five songs. The orchestra sight-read half of them and the other two songs received one separate rehearsal.
You can get a lot done in an afternoon, or morning, for that manner. None of the takes were perfect, from my point of view, but I bet you're not going to hear that on the final recording.
I wonder what sort of magic those sound engineers spun on your professor's recording. These mixes of less-than-perfect takes saves time in which saves in cost--usually benefiting the musician in the end. SO, another question: Are these engineering techniques considered cheating? The performer did play them correctly, if not all at one time. And he/she is probably saving thousands of dollars in studio time.
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Author: Marie
Date: 2001-01-25 08:10
Perhaps that question should be a new thread?
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