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Author: fernie51296
Date: 2011-04-16 04:06
I am an american clarinetist and im interested in purchasing an oehler system clarinet online. I found one by amati but i know that amati's clarinets do not have a very good reputation. Is their any other german clarinets that i could purchase online that can be shipped in the US? Or is amati's german clarinet actually not that bad?
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2011-04-16 04:24
You could always go for the best: http://wurlitzerclarinetsamerica.com/ Although they primarily import reform Boehms, they should be able to special order Oehlers in if that's what you want.
Also check the listings on that famous auction site ending in .de for Yamaha Oehlers (600 and 800 series).
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
Post Edited (2011-04-16 04:28)
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Author: SteveG_CT
Date: 2011-04-16 06:43
If you want a new oehler clarinet your options are limited. There's the Amati you mentioned or you could import one from from a german maker like Scwenk & Seggelke or Wulitzer as Chris mentioned. If you import an instrument from one of the German makers expect to pay at least $5k for it.
This post from another woodwind forum might be helpful as it describes the difficulty in acquiring an oehler horn in the US as well as a review of the Amati oehler.
http://www.woodwindforum.com/forums/showpost.php?p=29221&postcount=6
Seems to me that trying to find a used yamaha oehler on the german version of the famous auction site may be your best bet as Chris previously mentioned.
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Author: donald
Date: 2011-04-16 10:16
Steve Fox has a 2nd hand Amati Oehler for sale, i'm not sure if i'm breaking a BB rule by mentioning this fact...
dn
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Author: Tony F
Date: 2011-04-16 13:12
Amati clarinets dating from the soviet era had a reputation for poor quality, but those made before and since are thought to be OK. I once had a pre-ww2 Albert system B & H that was pretty good, and I currently have a Kohlert Albert of unknown vintage that plays nicely. The only thing is that it weighs about twice what you think it should, and it's hard on the thumb.
Tony F.
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Author: Ken Shaw ★2017
Date: 2011-04-16 18:39
Clarinets Direct http://www.clarinetsdirect.biz/clarinets.html almost always has Oehlers for sale. I bought a Hawkes & Son Bb from him, which was in good shape but needed re-padding, contrary to his description.
The Reform Boehm has a German bore and tone, and you don't need to switch fingering systems.
Steve Fox makes German-bore Boehm clarinets. Since he makes instruments to order, he can modify the design to suit your preferences. http://www.sfoxclarinets.com/Nexus.html
Luis Rossi http://www.rossiclarinet.com/ makes several German and Austrian designs.
For any of these, you'll need a German-style mouthpiece.
Ken Shaw
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Author: JJAlbrecht
Date: 2011-04-17 22:22
Out of curiosity, why do you want to go to the trouble of learning an entirely different fingering system of clarinet, as well as struggling with a different style of mouthpiece? There are so many superb French-style clarinets on the market these days, for a fraction of the cost of a top-notch Oehler.
Jeff
“Everyone discovers their own way of destroying themselves, and some people choose the clarinet.” Kalman Opperman, 1919-2010
"A drummer is a musician's best friend."
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Author: fernie51296
Date: 2011-04-18 00:48
Some say german system is better and others say french is better and others even say the different system hardly have a affect on the sound and thats its just the person playing the instrument. I would like to make my own mind about that. But inorder to do that i have to play it for a bit. And not just one time but get a good feel with it. And who knows. maybe making the switch won't be as difficult as most assume it to be.
Fernando
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2011-04-18 03:17
If you want the German sound in a Boehm system instrument, then reform Boehms are the way to go (and then some).
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: Kalakos
Date: 2011-04-18 03:54
I owned a new Amati "Albert" system clarinet in G for about two years. It was an excellent instrument, but I prefer fewer keys and rings and then discovered that Karl Hammerschmidt company had just the model I wanted. I sold the Amati and bought a Karl Hammerschmidt G clarinet, with no upper rings, and no lower third trill key. It is exactly what I wanted. I've had it for more than a year now (maybe two years) and I'm still happy with it. You can order direct from Germany.
http://www.hammerschmidt-klingson.com/?page_id=21
Otherwise, there is a very nice seller in Australia who can order them and send them to you. I bought two Hammerschmidt triple cases from him about a year ago. You can send me a pm and I'll send you his email address.
Good luck.
John
Kalakos
Kalakos Music
http://www.TAdelphia.com
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Author: salsacookies
Date: 2011-04-18 18:13
If you can play saxophone, the switch to albert or oehler system isn't that bad. it's basically relative to a tenor saxophone.
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2011-04-18 18:26
Eh?
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: CocoboloKid
Date: 2011-04-18 19:10
No, not really like the saxophone at all, with the exception of the right hand pinky roller keys.
If anything, it is more closely analogous to oboe fingering.
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Author: salsacookies
Date: 2011-04-18 20:19
the fingerings are like saxophone. Eb and C/or Ab and F are on R pinky and E F# or B and C# are on L pinky. it's basically like saxophone in the sense that you don't get alternates.
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2011-04-18 20:40
The RH main action fingerings are very different to saxes and more like that of simple system flutes and oboes where xxx|xoo gives F# and xxx|xox or xxx|xx,o gives F - and also from where they derived which are 5-key through to simple system clarinets.
The LH fingerings are similar to saxes and simple system oboes with the side Eb/Bb and F/C keys.
On Oehlers you do have LH Ab/Eb and Bb/F keys and F#/C# can be played with the E/B key only (with all six fingers down).
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: chris moffatt
Date: 2011-04-18 21:15
Fernie: just be aware that there are many variations on the Oehler system with more or less rings and keys. Many "german system" horns are little more than the old 4-ring Albert system. So be sure what you are getting if you find one and buy it. Rather than trying to figure all that out (and assuming that Dave Spiegelthal can't help (and that's the way to go in my opinion given your stated purpose)) I'd look for something like a Selmer Improved (6 ring) Albert system in good condition. There are still a few around - lovely horns.
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Author: CocoboloKid
Date: 2011-04-18 21:31
I'd also perhaps consider trying to get your hands on one of the Schreiber clarinets...I had a D41 for quite a long while that I played many operas and chamber performances on. I bought mine on eBay, and I still see them come up once in a while. There are also European online retailers that sell them. Worth a looK!
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Author: chris moffatt
Date: 2011-04-19 01:54
Hard to say what's a better brand. You'd have to try them both out. Personally I'd take the Uebel, but that choice would be based on factors other than which played "better", which would be a judgment unique to you.
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Author: 2cekce ★2017
Date: 2011-04-19 01:56
Actually the amati line has greatly improved over time as with any other brand of instrument especially yamaha. I play on amati's and have seen nothing but good reviews for amati to date.
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Author: fernie51296
Date: 2011-04-19 14:58
Hmmm. well im trying to decide between an amati and a uebel. guess i jus need to try them out.
Fernando
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2011-04-19 16:36
Borrow a simple or Albert system clarinet to see how you get on with that before jumping in at the deep end and making an expensive purchase - the basic fingering on them is the same as Oehler systems as that's what Oehler systems evolved from (but the bore is different).
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: chris moffatt
Date: 2011-04-20 17:30
To know what's out there this site leads to a lot of good info.
http://www.cs.ru.nl/~bolke/DuitseKlar/oehlerlist.html
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Author: fernie51296
Date: 2011-04-20 18:53
Alrite than ill try the albert first. is their a big tonal difference between albert and oehler?
Fernando
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2011-04-20 19:01
You may notice the difference but listeners probably won't.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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