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Author: mankan
Date: 2011-03-14 21:54
Just came home after the second rehearsal of Mozart Quintet. I´'m so happy to play this fantastic work together with some fellow musicians in our amateur orchestra, and they are also very enthusiastic.
However: Need some advice about the slow parts: I want to play the second movement in 6/8 to get a stable control of the ornamentation. So do 1:st violinst, but the others prefer to play 3/4. My question: Is it ok to play it in 6/8?
Second question, the adagio in last movement: We play it 8/8 to get fully control. Is this the common way to do it?
Any advice will be helpful
Magnus (in Sweden)
PS. We have the Breitkopf &Härtels edition. Ds
mankan
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Author: salzo
Date: 2011-03-15 00:15
I have gotten myself completely dizzy trying to figure out how you would do the larghetto in 6/8- just do it in three.
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Author: Ed Palanker
Date: 2011-03-15 00:45
My gosh, why would you do a slow 3/4 in 6/8. I think you probably mean sub divide the quarter notes, but don't pulse the 8th notes. You could do that if it helps the ensemble but as I said, don't make it sound like it's in 6, think it but play it in 3. I always play it in 3 but in the measures with the fast turns I "think" it in 6. The same for the Adagio in the last mov't. Also, one can think sub dividing without actually phrasing it that way. ESP http://eddiesclarinet.com
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Author: concertmaster3
Date: 2011-03-15 01:43
I agree with what's been said. Subdivide in your head, but don't phrase it that way. Always think where it is going in the long run, not the short 32nd notes. If you think of it in short amounts (in 6 rather than 3), it will sound very labored, instead of flowing.
Ron Ford
Woodwind Specialist
Performer/Teacher/Arranger
http://www.RonFordMusic.com
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Author: mankan
Date: 2011-03-15 12:07
Thanks for advice. I just have this hangup with bar 71 and 73; seems I cant get them right if I dont count them in six.
mankan
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Author: cigleris
Date: 2011-03-15 14:21
It is best to count those two bars in 6 subdividing the 3/4. Don't think in 6/8
Peter Cigleris
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Author: Bob Phillips
Date: 2011-03-15 14:27
How does one develop the ability to mentally switch between "counts"? Are there "tricks" that allow a skilled performer to subdivide "when necessary" and
I'm learning a 6/8 allegro full of sextolets counting in 6 and worrying about taking it (back) to 2. I have rhythmic trouble when 6/beat have some of the notes grouped together.
I still count the middle movement of the Mozart concerto and the Larghetto in his 5tet in 6.
Making the switch back to 1/4 notes is a stumble.
Bob Phillips
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Author: mankan
Date: 2011-03-15 15:49
Yes, would be intresting to learn, me for instance; I would have to switch counting a couple of bars before the difficulty to get it right.
And how many of us do that 6-counting in those slow movements? Is there really a notable difference in the presentation depending on how you count?
mankan
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Author: salzo
Date: 2011-03-15 17:46
"And how many of us do that 6-counting in those slow movements? Is there really a notable difference in the presentation depending on how you count?"
I think there is a difference. It completely changes the phrasing, and the time signature.
If it was purely math, doing something subdivided would be the equivalent of doubleling the numerator and denominator in a fraction- in math, there is no difference, in music there is.
My brother who is a mathmetician, told me he couldnt understand why there was a such thing as 4/4, because 2/4 is the same thing. Being a mathmetician, I could understand why he would think that.
So I sung something in 2 and then in 4, and asked him if there was a difference? He noticed there was. THe most obvious difference is the amount of downbeats. If you do something in 2, it will have twice as many as in 4. Phrasing considerations, there is a certain weight given to a downbeat that is different than the other beatrs of a measure. It completely changes the phrasing when doubling note values.
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