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Author: travelingclarinetist
Date: 2011-02-16 18:21
I have several older models of Rovners, a Bay inverted, an olegature, standard buffet silver plated, and lyben. Geeze-lately none of them have made me happy. I have heard about turning the rovners upside down, still inverted. Does this make any difference? The issue I am finding is intonation. Despite pulling out, etc. I am still sharp. I see some differences with the ligs. I can only change my emb. so much without sacrificing tone. What else can I do to overcome the sharpness? I play on R13's.
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Author: Caroline Smale
Date: 2011-02-16 18:24
I can't see how a ligature would change the pitch of your instrument.
Response or sound marginally perhaps but not pitch.
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Author: Chris Hill
Date: 2011-02-16 18:30
While I've found that my regular Bonade does make me a little lower than my Rico H, I suspect that your sharpness problem is probaby not due to the ligature.
I also suspect that the pitch differential is probably due to me playing differently when I use a different ligature.
Chris
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Author: concertmaster3
Date: 2011-02-16 21:07
What kind of clarinet, and what length barrel are you using?
Ron Ford
Woodwind Specialist
Performer/Teacher/Arranger
http://www.RonFordMusic.com
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Author: Ed Palanker
Date: 2011-02-17 02:27
I too can't see how a ligature can alter the pitch of a clarinet. You probably need a longer barrel, pull out the middle joint and maybe even the bell slightly to bring the bell tones down. It could also be the mouthpiece or the clarinet may just sharp because of some bore problem or a lousy clarinet. ESP http://eddiesclarinet.com
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Author: concertmaster3
Date: 2011-02-17 02:31
If you're in Winston (like your IP says) I'd be willing to listen one day. I have a barrel you might want to try also, to see if it helps.
SideNote...My IP said Nashville...that's strange...
Ron Ford
Woodwind Specialist
Performer/Teacher/Arranger
http://www.RonFordMusic.com
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Author: Bob Bernardo
Date: 2011-02-17 02:39
Your mouthpiece and the barrel combination will put you back on pitch. Since you are using a 66mm barrel try a 67mm.
What mouthpiece are you playing on? The mouthpiece can vary up to 1/4 of an inch in length.
Designer of - Vintage 1940 Cicero Mouthpieces and the La Vecchia mouthpieces
Yamaha Artist 2015
Post Edited (2011-02-17 02:40)
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Author: travelingclarinetist
Date: 2011-02-17 03:03
Mouthpieces: Genussa, Old Hawkins and Vytass C1
Tried an old 67 Moennig but it was very tight-thought it would get stuck. Also, it says 1238 as model number-not sure if it was meant for my clarinet.
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Author: clarnibass
Date: 2011-02-17 04:43
>> Response or sound marginally perhaps <<
I actually had a ligature make a huge effect on response. I thought I had a problem and never suspected the ligature, just assumed out of practice, etc. but it didn't improve for a while. Then just a coincidence I tried a differenet ligature and problem was gone. It was so obvious several in the room immedaitely noticed it too. I went back home and tried other ligatures, all of them had no problem. Just that one that used to be fine. It sort of "choked" the response/sound. Don't know why. I couldn't believe a lig could do something that significant really. Though this is rare.
>> but not pitch <<
Re intonation, I agree, I don't think a lig by itself can simply change intonation. But a lig can change the tip opening, which can affect the way someone plays, more or less pressure, which I guess can have some affect on intonation. Slim chance and not so likely, but just a possiblity. But for oeveral sharpness probably not the lig.
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Author: Paul Aviles
Date: 2011-02-18 19:56
There should be a significant difference in pitch from the Hawkins to the Gennusa. Is your strobe tuner alright?
I can't add anything further but I would suggest that you try not really tightening the Bay (keep it so that you can nudge the reed back and forth with just a hair of effort). I am currently back on my Bay with this idea in mind and get the best response out of a Gennusa that you could ever want.
Hope you find a pitch solution!
.....................Paul Aviles
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Author: Bobby McClellan
Date: 2011-02-18 20:35
When I switched from my Yamaha 34 to an R13 I found that i could not tune up to pitch I was always flat. Found out that the Pyne mouthpiece that I was using what physically longer causing my issues. Swapped mouthpieces and fixed my problems.
Don't know if that would help you but thatwas my situation was.
Bobby M. McClellan
Flowood, MS
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Author: Sandra E. F.
Date: 2011-02-18 20:40
Sometimes as clarinets age their pitch will go to the sharp side. Try the longer barrel and another mouthpiece. I've never heard of or experienced ligatures causing pitch problems, only that of tone/sound. Good luck!
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