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Author: HCR
Date: 2011-02-16 14:34
I just reread the 2009 thread about Bliss clarinets having their tuning set to A442. That's something I need in an upcoming gig; also a non-wooden clarinet, for the playing of it will be intermittent with breaks of up to half an hour when I'll be otherwise occupied. I'm considering buying a Bliss LB310, but I'm wondering if there are other clarinets as well with those specifications. Can anyone tell me?
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Author: JJAlbrecht
Date: 2011-02-16 15:32
Almost any standard clarinet in propeer working order can tune to 442. Just use a shorter barrel.
Jeff
“Everyone discovers their own way of destroying themselves, and some people choose the clarinet.” Kalman Opperman, 1919-2010
"A drummer is a musician's best friend."
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Author: HCR
Date: 2011-02-16 18:31
Thanks Jeff, but I already have and use a click-barrel on my well-maintained vintage horn. Shortening that barrel by 2mm or more (3-4 mm in summer), which I've already had to do at the venue I'm returning to, throws the instrument out of tune with itself. According to some of the threads on this BB, that would happen with any clarinet. It's why I'm asking which clarinets are built in A442 to begin with. I'm licking (pun) the intermittent playing issue with Forestone reeds and, I hope, with a non-wooden clarinet. But I still need to know more about B-flat clarinets built at a higher pitch.
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Author: JJAlbrecht
Date: 2011-02-16 19:00
Most of the student grade Buffets (the E11 made of wood and the B12 of ABS plastic) are tuned to 442 as shipped from the factory.
The Ridenour Lyrique comes with two barrels. The shorter one should tune to 442 rather nicely. It did when I played one. In fact, I was so sharp with the shorter barrel, I never used it. Our band plays at A 441, and I was spot on with the longer barrel and a Chedeville-style mouthpiece, which is usually a lower-pitched setup.
Also, the instrument is made of hard rubber, so cold weather playing and cracking are not serious issues.
Jeff
“Everyone discovers their own way of destroying themselves, and some people choose the clarinet.” Kalman Opperman, 1919-2010
"A drummer is a musician's best friend."
Post Edited (2011-02-16 19:03)
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Author: HCR
Date: 2011-02-16 20:35
Interesting about the Buffet E11 and B12; I'll keep them in mind -- thanks. I've looked into the Lyrique, though I've not played a B-flat one, with either barrel on. Anybody know of any others I should be checking out? Wonderful help so far.
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Author: Wicked Good ★2017
Date: 2011-02-16 20:59
What about a used Vito V40? They're nice instruments, non-wood, well made, they play well, and tune to A-442 quite nicely in my experience. I use one, that I got cheaply on "that auction site," for outdoor playing instead of my R13.
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Author: Barry Vincent
Date: 2011-02-19 07:20
The Schrieber 6010s . I've done a review if it a few months back on this Board.
It's is made to play at 442. It is very well made , is of fantastic plastic and has silver plated keys.
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Author: tictactux ★2017
Date: 2011-02-19 12:58
...bear in mind that 440 vs 442 means "about 8 cents off". Not all that much, and roughly within the scope of an 1.5mm shorter (or longer, depending on what side you're peering in) barrel. 8 cents off shouldn't throw an instrument "out of tune with itself" unless there's a considerable out-of-tuneness even without messing with those two Hertzes.
I got a bunch of 'merican clarinets with 66mm barrels and have them shortened to 64.5mm (which is, coincidentally, the same size as Yamaha's after-market barrels for the YCL-250). None of the instruments got out of tune with themselves. Use your ears and not your tuner. The rest of the band (if capable of playing in unison) is always right...
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Ben
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Author: Gregory Williams
Date: 2011-02-19 16:14
Look for Buffet clarinets with a capital F in front of the serial number. These were made to play at 442. I bought one about 15 years ago and farmed it down for years - fun! Why it was sold in the United States in the first place, no one knows.
[ Edited - GBK ]
Greg Williams
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Author: HCR
Date: 2011-02-19 19:58
Ben, I wish I were playing with a band! But I'm playing in church, accompanied by a vintage piano that veers between A440 and 444, depending on the humidity [lots of that here in coastal Virginia, to push The Beast sharper] and the time since the last tuning. I've volunteered to pay for a couple of extra tunings during the year. Meanwhile, it seems logical to me to get an instrument that's built halfway between the piano's extremes, so that tuning to either of them won't throw my horn very far off.
Greg, are any of those "F" Buffets non-wooden?
Helen
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Author: beejay
Date: 2011-02-21 22:27
I believe all Buffets sold in France are 442 unless you specifically ask for something different. My RC certainly is.
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