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 Mahler: Carbonare Drucker
Author: luca1 
Date:   2011-02-09 05:20

Interesting comparison on "blending" ... with perhaps the most beautiful cor anglais solo passage ever:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11mfvRIKgUA


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxh-VTqNK0c



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 Re: Mahler: Carbonare Drucker
Author: grifffinity 
Date:   2011-02-09 06:29

I prefer Carbonare tone-wise, intonation-wise,...but man...Jessye Norman is so effortless - no contest for me between her and Kozena.

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 Re: Mahler: Carbonare Drucker
Author: William 
Date:   2011-02-09 14:45

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11mfvRIKgUA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxh-VTqNK0c

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 Re: Mahler: Carbonare Drucker
Author: Dileep Gangolli 
Date:   2011-02-10 01:56

While the playing may be better in the NYPO video, the women were hotter in the Abbado clip, so I vote for that one. Doesn't really matter who's playing clarinet.

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 Re: Mahler: Carbonare Drucker
Author: DAVE 
Date:   2011-02-10 02:25

Jessye Norman beats everyone. The other singer was harsh. When Jessye Norman sings she owns you. I played a concert with her years ago where she was singing Wagner. It was all I could do to look at the page in front of me. In the rehearsals she faced us, and I tell you to this day I have never heard anything even close to what she did. Her encore was that aria from Samson and Delila "mon coeur..." or whatever it's called. It was breathtaking.

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 Re: Mahler: Carbonare Drucker
Author: David Spiegelthal 2017
Date:   2011-02-10 03:43

Two very different singers, two very different orchestras, I think they're all wonderful.

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 Re: Mahler: Carbonare Drucker
Author: DavidBlumberg 
Date:   2011-02-10 13:16

I got to hear Drucker Vs Carbonare at the Oklahoma ClarFest last summer.
A Boulez work. (if I recall was Boulez)

2 very different performances.

http://www.SkypeClarinetLessons.com


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 Re: Mahler: Carbonare Drucker
Author: David Spiegelthal 2017
Date:   2011-02-10 15:31

Who won? Music IS a competition, isn't it?

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 Re: Mahler: Carbonare Drucker
Author: asabene 
Date:   2011-02-18 15:46

They each played the Berio Sequenza IXa. Two very different performances indeed.

Carbonare's performance was very profound and nearly flawless. I was completely blown away. Carbonare also talked about how Berio himself had given him tips on how to play it that inspired his interpretation. Drucker's performance was great too, but he made some odd decisions. He flutter tongued some articulated passages and also decided to stack the 10 single-sided pages of the part on top of each other and page-turn himself which ended up breaking up some of the phrases (as opposed to what Berio--or the publisher--intended, which was to lay them out across 4 or 5 stands).

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 Re: Mahler: Carbonare Drucker
Author: DavidBlumberg 
Date:   2011-02-18 16:15

Ah - Berio.

I've never been able to get into that ultra modern stuff.
Love Coriglianio, but Berio, and Boulez for that matter don't appeal to me.

http://www.SkypeClarinetLessons.com


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 Re: Mahler: Carbonare Drucker
Author: JamesOrlandoGarcia 
Date:   2011-02-23 23:40

To me the difference is day and night. Carbonare is far superior.

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 Re: Mahler: Carbonare Drucker
Author: DavidBlumberg 
Date:   2011-02-24 00:37

If I even make it till 80, I'd be happy to play like that.

Anybody would ;)

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 Re: Mahler: Carbonare Drucker
Author: luca1 
Date:   2011-02-24 01:08

I think the cor anglais players are night and day too!

However, to give Drucker his due, I think the recording is no way near as sophisticated. He is/was a nuanced player - perhaps not his finest moment....and as David B. said ..I'd give my two front teeth to play like that at 80 ..... well maybe not........unless I was allowed to rest it on my knee alla Marcellus.....

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 Re: Mahler: Carbonare Drucker
Author: Ken Shaw 2017
Date:   2011-02-24 02:08

I didn't particularly care for Kožená, who has a gorgeous voice but sings note-by-note without the necessary long lines. But the EH player is the best ever, far outshining Stacey. I also loved Carbonare.

Quiet singing didn't suit Norman at this point in her career. She was amazing in full voice, but I heard audible struggle to keep the tone and line going at low pressure. I thought Drucker was excellent. Really nothing to choose between him and Carbonare.

I think there are better YouTube versions than either of these:

Janet Baker has the right voice and gets the long line. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PvGSmj0PmM

So does Christa Ludwig, with a wonderful EH and beautiful English-style clarinets. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BM5VH-97ylo

Dietrich Fischer-Dieskau is great, and Leister's solos are what I aspire to in this music. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTqbTP5qy7k

Margaret Price gives a master class on how to sing the long line. The EH vibrato is too insistent for me. The Oehler clarinet players get the right sound. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wau4nkJWGss

Irmgard Seefried is my favorite. She takes it noticeably quicker than the others and is the only one to make sense of the very long phrases. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VywzWW1C1_I&feature=related

I don't have it, and it's not available on-line, but Kathleen Ferrier with Bruno Walter and the Vienna Philharmonic will show the best voice and legato of all. It's undoubtedly very slow. http://www.amazon.com/Mahler-Das-Lied-Erde-Ruckert-Lieder/dp/B00004XQ8E/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1298516502&sr=8-1.

Ken Shaw

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 Re: Mahler: Carbonare Drucker
Author: LarryBocaner 2017
Date:   2011-02-24 13:40

Bravo, Ken, for your penetrating analyses! One small point: Fischer-Dieskau's performance is not with the Berlin Philharmonic but with the RSO Berlin -- I don't think Leister performed with that orchestra. Riccardo Chailly is a great conductor: I loved playing with him.



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