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Author: sonicbang
Date: 2011-02-02 17:33
I have checked the Vandoren website recently and there is a wrning about fake products on the market. They say there are fake reeds with poor quality but identical package.
Is there anybody who belives this?
I think they have just spent a huge amount of money on researching and developing and now they state they have no responibility for they previous reeds (they just become worse and worse).
Any opinions?
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2011-02-02 18:17
When I got my Chinese bass sax it came with a fake Rico Royal reed - but at least they had the decency to change the name 'Rico' on the sticker to 'Rick'. The only thing it has in common with a Rico Royal bari sax reed is the general shape.
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Author: Lelia Loban ★2017
Date: 2011-02-02 18:27
>> When I got my Chinese bass sax it came with a fake Rico Royal reed - but at least they had the decency to change the name 'Rico' on the sticker to 'Rick'. >>
That's a good point, Chris. Many of these fake music items have slight misspellings of familiar company names. We need to keep our eyes open. The faker probably thinks the technically different company name will avoid copyright and trademark infringement lawsuits even though the logo is clearly designed to be mistaken for the real thing by anybody who doesn't look carefully. At flea markets, I've seen extra-crummy clarinets labelled Selner, Baffet and Leblano, for instance.
Lelia
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Author: GBK
Date: 2011-02-02 18:44
When Vandoren changed their reed packaging to individual sealed foiled wrappers, they claimed it was for humidity and hygenic control. It was also an attempt to stop counterfeiters.
Apparently it didn't deter them.
...GBK
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Author: sonicbang
Date: 2011-02-02 19:27
OK, my question now is if has anybody came across fake Vandoren reeds? In this case has anybody contacted with the Vandoren company?
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Author: sbrodt54
Date: 2011-02-02 19:35
Yes, they have reached the USA several years back. A friend sent me a picture of the box and it was VERY well duplicated in every way, the reeds on the inside were trash. The Chinese have done a terrific job of duplicating the design and the lettering of the old box, the Vandoren name was correctly spelled. I have not seen any copies of the new boxes though.
My friend purchased the box of reeds from a supplier in Europe over the internet, he couldn't believe that someone in Europe could get a box of reeds into his hands cheaper than the normal venues here in the states, he was right.
Vandoren does know, I talked with David Gould several years ago about this problem and Vandoren is quite aware of it.
Scott Brodt
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Author: Philcoman
Date: 2011-02-02 19:42
Personally, I'm shocked that it's worth anyone's time to counterfeit a reed!
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Author: gwie
Date: 2011-02-02 20:26
Well, when they don't have the duplicate the contents, and only have to reproduce a convincing looking version of the box, it's pretty simple, actually.
And since a regular box sells for $20 on average, there's a heck of a profit to be made by these counterfeiters! :(
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Author: sonicbang
Date: 2011-02-02 20:35
Well I officially apologise for my malicious attitude towards the Vandoren company. It's a kind of bad habit of mine. Sorry for that, but forgive me, I live in Hungary.
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Author: knotty
Date: 2011-02-02 21:17
Sounds like time for a new website "Fake or Not" or "Is it a fake?" Seriously, it's gotten too far out of hand like many things that should have been nipped in the bud. Seems it's going to cost us more money as companies add security measures.
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Author: Bob Bernardo
Date: 2011-02-03 16:14
This happened when I was at Rico. A company in China made an exact copy of the La Voz reed box.
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Author: TianL
Date: 2011-02-03 18:30
philcoman wrote: "Personally, I'm shocked that it's worth anyone's time to counterfeit a reed!"
when i was in china about 10 years ago, i could buy reeds from store for about 15 yuan per 10 reeds, which is about $2 US dollars. So yes, if they can fake it, it is well worth the effort and they will make a lot of money.
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Author: BartHx
Date: 2011-02-03 19:39
One more reason why I prefer to play top of the line, older models (eg: centered tone, series 9, series 10) and carefully restore and maintain them myself. Not much profit in fake old Selmers, Buffets, or pre-WWII Kohlerts in need of minor repairs. On the other hand, there are some really fine instruments from the 1930s thru the 1970 (model depending on maker). It could be a different story if I were playing professionally.
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Author: sonicbang
Date: 2011-02-03 22:26
If we are talking about fake instruments...I know a clarinettist who just bought a Buffet RC and it's serial number just doesn't seem to exist.
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Author: sonicbang
Date: 2011-02-05 17:16
Scott Brodt wrote:
<The Chinese have done a terrific job of duplicating the design and the lettering of the old box>
Has anybody come across fake Chinese reeds among the newer packaged ones?
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