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 Vandoren Cuir, Leather, Optimum - same now
Author: DavidBlumberg 
Date:   2011-02-02 02:02

The vandoren leather ligature is now being made like the optimum, with the both side pull of the screw, and the metal plate is now the optimum "curvy lines" plate.

Any opinions of the design change? I haven't tried them head to head, but it's certainly a different ligature with the plate change.

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 Re: Vandoren Cuir, Leather, Optimum - same now
Author: DavidBlumberg 
Date:   2011-02-02 02:04

The change was told to me by a Vando Rep, and I've had students get the new design.

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 Re: Vandoren Cuir, Leather, Optimum - same now
Author: Paul Aviles 
Date:   2011-02-02 10:01

There is probably no difference in the plates since the reed curved away from the flat edges of the metal plate of the old leather model.


I don't get what you are saying about "both side pull." Looking at an Optimum I am even more confused. Can you clarify?



................Paul Aviles



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 Re: Vandoren Cuir, Leather, Optimum - same now
Author: sfalexi 
Date:   2011-02-02 10:59

Paul,

He means instead of like a normal "rovner" style ligature where the thumb screw tightens only against one post, the optimum has a threaded bar by the thumb screw, and a reverse thread on the other post. Meaning if you were to turn the thumb screw, BOTH sides compress inwards to tighten from both directions instead of the thumb screw only tightening one side and "pushing" the ligature towards the other post.

Hope I've thoroughly over-confused you now.

(Take another look at a rovner vs an optimum, and you'll see threads on TWO sides of the optimum with a smooth portion in the middle that the plate attaches to, and you'll see that the rovner only has threads on the side of the thumb screw and it smooth for the remainder.)

Alexi

US Army Japan Band

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 Re: Vandoren Cuir, Leather, Optimum - same now
Author: Paul Aviles 
Date:   2011-02-02 14:27

OOOOOOH.

So the whole mechanism is on the BOTTOM so it smacks into your chin..........what's the point of having a leather Optima?




.....................Paul Aviles



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 Re: Vandoren Cuir, Leather, Optimum - same now
Author: DavidBlumberg 
Date:   2011-02-02 14:30

No, it's still an inverted ligature.

My point is that the plate has been changed. The way that it pulls center, or side doesn't matter to me at all, except that it's a better mechanism as it won't strip easily as the side design has done (I have a student who's ligature screw was partially stripped).

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 Re: Vandoren Cuir, Leather, Optimum - same now
Author: tictactux 2017
Date:   2011-02-02 15:43

> I have a student who's ligature screw was partially stripped.

A bit of cork grease usually resolves this problem, unless, of course, one fastens the ligature like a gorilla.

--
Ben

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 Re: Vandoren Cuir, Leather, Optimum - same now
Author: DavidBlumberg 
Date:   2011-02-02 16:17

It was striped when he got it - basically a dead spot on the ligature.

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 Re: Vandoren Cuir, Leather, Optimum - same now
Author: David Niethamer 
Date:   2011-02-04 20:21

Cursory test of New vs. old versions with a student on Wednesday. Neither of us could tell any difference, playing or listening. Yes, the plate is different, but the net effect is the same - rails running down the center of the reed. The screw on the new one seems like a better design, but mine is still going strong with the old design.

David
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 Re: Vandoren Cuir, Leather, Optimum - same now
Author: DavidBlumberg 
Date:   2011-02-04 21:36

I had a look today als at a student's new one and the lines aren't curvy like I had written - they are 2 lines parallel to the reed. So the contact points are the same as before.

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